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Hi all, I'm having an internal issue about something which deeply affected me, and it involves my husband. First a couple bullet points:

-Married almost 2 years.
-Have a 1 year old boy.
-Both 26 years old.

I work as a Nurses Assistant at a hospital, in an outpatient unit. I help get patients ready for basic procedures by helping the families, giving instructions, vitals, shaving, and transporting. Most of our patients have procedures where they have to go through the groin and into the femoral artery to get a scope into the heart. What does that have to do with me? I have to shave that area. Oh yes, I cover up the patient for their dignity, and because I am completely uninterested in seeing what they have down there. It's a job, takes about two minutes and they have the option of striking up a conversation or staying silent. I have been doing this job for five years now, and it's gotten to a point where I see the human body as a completely binary thing. Almost all of my male patients have been gentlemen, almost embarrassed about what I have to do to them, so I don't encounter many problems.

About three months ago all that changed. I was doing my job just like any other day. I had an elderly gentleman I was getting ready, and having quite a good conversation with. We discussed family, places of origin, and some other vapid things. During the shave he said in a joking manner "It's Veterans day, where is my apple pie and meal?" I joked back with him and went on my business; nothing out of the ordinary occurred.

During lunch I found sliced apple pie in our cafeteria, so because I enjoyed him as a patient so much I decided to buy one and give it to him. Well my clock-out time came around, so I asked my mother (Who worked in the lab) to give it to him.

She called me on the way home and I could sense an edge in her voice. When I asked about the pie she said "Well, I did give it to him... and the drugs must have been in him still, because when I told him you were giving this to him he made the comment of 'Oh, yeah [Naal]. I remember her. She really made something "rise" when she was shaving me."'

I felt like someone had knocked me on the side of the head. Sure, I've been the subject of sexual harassment before, but not on this level. Not only was it directly about me, but it was said to my mother, and I didn't think this man would say something like that; I was taken completely off guard. That was the first time I had a real deep pit of my stomach sick feeling stemming from my patients.

Now this is where the needed advice will be. I told my husband what happened, and he just shrugged and said "Well, it's over now so there's nothing we can do about it." I was aghast. I felt like he would at least put an arm around me and say something comforting. There's nothing we can do about it? Well, duh. I didn't want to do something about it! I wanted to vent! I wanted my husband, who is supposed to comfort and defend me, at least feel a little something. I wasn't expecting him to take up a sword and mount a horse to go defend for my honor, but I expected a little something.

A day later I was at work and just broke down in tears about the whole situation. I have seen people in the nude at 90lbs and 500lbs. I have seen the weirdest fluids exit a persons body, and have seen people die. I have no fear of the human body, and suddenly when I have to go shave a man I'm overcome with a sick stomach and the inability to perform my job as needed. My boss took pity on me and sent me home early, mostly because it was a rather slow day.

Trust me when I say I'm not a prude. My parents educated us about sex at a fairly early time of life, and I grew up in a very liberal part of my country. Sex is not a shy topic for me, and I have a record from my pre-Christ life. However, this really affected me deep into my bones.

When I got home I sat down with my husband and explained to him why I was feeling hurt. He was shocked that I felt that way, because I talk about sex all the time with him, and I make dirty jokes. I replied with "Well that's because you're my husband. I don't go around talking like that with my coworkers and friends. It's special, because it is all special between us." He apologized and comforted me like I needed.

Fastforward to the last few days, I ran into said patient and all those old fears came back, as well as that sick feeling. And suddenly, I feel like if the same thing happened again that my husband would fail me again. That he would brush it off and tell me to suck it up.

Should I talk to him about these feelings, or should I let it rest? I feel like I'm building up a resentment and I hate it.
 

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Let it rest. You can't be angry with your husband because you think that he would do something if something happened with the patient.
Having read your story I can see where both of you are coming from--my husband would have probably acted similarly and I would have felt hurt. I just know that with him, I need to spill it out and say clearly that I need him to listen and to comfort me. If I just tell him what happened in a very casual matter-of-factly-way he will think that is how I feel about the situation (= not upset). Perhaps your husband is like that too.
He apologized didn't he, and comforted you after you had told him you felt hurt. Now I think it's time for you to "get over it" and really forgive him.
Try also to ignore that rude patient, he really behaved inappropriately when saying such things to your Mom. Shame on him!
 
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Let it rest. You can't be angry with your husband because you think that he would do something if something happened with the patient.
Having read your story I can see where both of you are coming from--my husband would have probably acted similarly and I would have felt hurt. I just know that with him, I need to spill it out and say clearly that I need him to listen and to comfort me. If I just tell him what happened in a very casual matter-of-factly-way he will think that is how I feel about the situation (= not upset). Perhaps your husband is like that too.
He apologized didn't he, and comforted you after you had told him you felt hurt. Now I think it's time for you to "get over it" and really forgive him.
Try also to ignore that rude patient, he really behaved inappropriately when saying such things to your Mom. Shame on him!

+1 from the point of view of a man and also a husband.

Us men are thick-headed some times and you really do have to spell it out to us of what you need. We're not mind readers. You cannot live by the "well he should JUST KNOW." You will be disappointed just about every time.
 
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Thank you both so much for this! You two are right, I shouldn't be holding what he hasn't even done over his head! In all honesty I felt a ton better after I posted this. I think I just needed to get it off my chest, because the thought ist even bothering me anymore. :)

Yet again thank you guys.
 
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Thank you both so much for this! You two are right, I shouldn't be holding what he hasn't even done over his head! In all honesty I felt a ton better after I posted this. I think I just needed to get it off my chest, because the thought ist even bothering me anymore. :)

Yet again thank you guys.

Glad to hear you got it off of your chest and aren't bothered by it anymore! Yayy!!
 
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Sounds like you've got this covered. :)

But I was just wondering if you have examined why this particular event bothered you so deeply.

I mean, I can't imagine that you're a stranger to folks giggling over a sponge bath, or making inappropriate comments (unlike medical professionals, the general public equates having their "bits" handled with sex, because that's their experience).

So why was this time so bad? Was it because that man talked disrespectfully about one to someone else? Or to your mother? Was it because he said it when you weren't there and you don't like the idea of patients talking about you like that?

It may be that your husband let the issue slide by that time because he didn't see a difference between this time and just a regular crummy day. Maybe if you can figure out why it was extra-bad, you can explain it to your husband, and then he will be better prepared in the future. (And it sounds like he wants to be prepared to love you the way you need. :))
 
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I would assume the older man said things out of embarrassment. People tend to twist things when they get embarrassed to save face. Its a source of deflection to some.

The fact he was a bit out of it? His inhibitions was lower, and I would assume under normal circumstances he would never say such a thing.

Try to see this in a different way, because its very clear its eating at you. I would have been personally embarrassed if my mother has given me such a message as well. It is what it is. Nothing wrong with feeling strange about it. Its normal.

Just remember to put your medical hat back on, and distance yourself as you should. Like I said - if I were guessing the man said something dopey due to the circumstances, and his lack of inhibitions at the time.

Try to stop and think of all the others that did things that made you laugh under similar circumstances...because it may help you place this in prospective.

There is this video on Youtube? A father was driving his son home from having dental surgery, and his son was OUT of it! It was funny to watch, and everyone realized this boy would NEVER say or do the things he did under normal circumstances.

Everyone reacts just a little different...as no doubt you know.
 
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Some thoughts

He may not have had anything in mind behind his comment.
If he did 'arise' that can be for various reasons, not necessarily impure motives.
You probably have done well to have gone so long without any previous comment like that. I would expect there to be guys who would suggest something sexual during that procedure.

What is vital is for you not to see yourself negatively in any way. You did nothing wrong and human sexuality is quite a complex phenomenon anyway.

John
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If I may be a little stereotypical (but accurate):

When women talk (as you say), they often want to vent and have their feelings heard and validated.

Most guys are oriented towards "fixing things"; they usually don't understand the venting bit.

Neither sex is wrong, just different. Communication is the key.


By the way, I had one of those shaves by a nurse some years ago (neck to ankles) - nothing sexual about it.
 
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A lot of Christian speakers about marriage say when the wife talks about a problem, the husbands response is to try to fix the problem. The wife just wants someone to listen and understand. The man I thinking of ways to fix the problem, and offering suggestions, which may at times frustrate the wife who is looking for empathy. We are wired a little differently.

Maybe what you said bothered your husband. Part of him may have wanted to get on a white horse and chase down the old man, but chasing down a sick man in a hospital is not the sort of thing a knight on a white horse should do. It was over. There was no solution, so he said there was nothing you could do about it now. That's 'solution-finder' language.

I don't know if that helps with your struggles with having to do your job after a comment like that. That was a crude thing for the man to say. Unless a man is really pure in heart, really, really sick, homosexual, or has a low testosterone count, he just might think some sexual thoughts if an attractive young woman shaves certain areas of his body. Maybe not as much for a woman he finds unattractive. Hopefully, most of them have the consideration not to say anything. And it's probably just as traumatic or uncomfortable for some of the patients.
 
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Hi all, I'm having an internal issue about something which deeply affected me, and it involves my husband. First a couple bullet points:

-Married almost 2 years.
-Have a 1 year old boy.
-Both 26 years old.

I work as a Nurses Assistant at a hospital, in an outpatient unit. I help get patients ready for basic procedures by helping the families, giving instructions, vitals, shaving, and transporting. Most of our patients have procedures where they have to go through the groin and into the femoral artery to get a scope into the heart. What does that have to do with me? I have to shave that area. Oh yes, I cover up the patient for their dignity, and because I am completely uninterested in seeing what they have down there. It's a job, takes about two minutes and they have the option of striking up a conversation or staying silent. I have been doing this job for five years now, and it's gotten to a point where I see the human body as a completely binary thing. Almost all of my male patients have been gentlemen, almost embarrassed about what I have to do to them, so I don't encounter many problems.

About three months ago all that changed. I was doing my job just like any other day. I had an elderly gentleman I was getting ready, and having quite a good conversation with. We discussed family, places of origin, and some other vapid things. During the shave he said in a joking manner "It's Veterans day, where is my apple pie and meal?" I joked back with him and went on my business; nothing out of the ordinary occurred.

During lunch I found sliced apple pie in our cafeteria, so because I enjoyed him as a patient so much I decided to buy one and give it to him. Well my clock-out time came around, so I asked my mother (Who worked in the lab) to give it to him.

She called me on the way home and I could sense an edge in her voice. When I asked about the pie she said "Well, I did give it to him... and the drugs must have been in him still, because when I told him you were giving this to him he made the comment of 'Oh, yeah [Naal]. I remember her. She really made something "rise" when she was shaving me."'

I felt like someone had knocked me on the side of the head. Sure, I've been the subject of sexual harassment before, but not on this level. Not only was it directly about me, but it was said to my mother, and I didn't think this man would say something like that; I was taken completely off guard. That was the first time I had a real deep pit of my stomach sick feeling stemming from my patients.

Now this is where the needed advice will be. I told my husband what happened, and he just shrugged and said "Well, it's over now so there's nothing we can do about it." I was aghast. I felt like he would at least put an arm around me and say something comforting. There's nothing we can do about it? Well, duh. I didn't want to do something about it! I wanted to vent! I wanted my husband, who is supposed to comfort and defend me, at least feel a little something. I wasn't expecting him to take up a sword and mount a horse to go defend for my honor, but I expected a little something.

A day later I was at work and just broke down in tears about the whole situation. I have seen people in the nude at 90lbs and 500lbs. I have seen the weirdest fluids exit a persons body, and have seen people die. I have no fear of the human body, and suddenly when I have to go shave a man I'm overcome with a sick stomach and the inability to perform my job as needed. My boss took pity on me and sent me home early, mostly because it was a rather slow day.

Trust me when I say I'm not a prude. My parents educated us about sex at a fairly early time of life, and I grew up in a very liberal part of my country. Sex is not a shy topic for me, and I have a record from my pre-Christ life. However, this really affected me deep into my bones.

When I got home I sat down with my husband and explained to him why I was feeling hurt. He was shocked that I felt that way, because I talk about sex all the time with him, and I make dirty jokes. I replied with "Well that's because you're my husband. I don't go around talking like that with my coworkers and friends. It's special, because it is all special between us." He apologized and comforted me like I needed.

Fastforward to the last few days, I ran into said patient and all those old fears came back, as well as that sick feeling. And suddenly, I feel like if the same thing happened again that my husband would fail me again. That he would brush it off and tell me to suck it up.

Should I talk to him about these feelings, or should I let it rest? I feel like I'm building up a resentment and I hate it.

As someone who also works in the medical field, and actually aspires to do what you do (patient caregiving), I really feel for you! I can imagine how awkward and uncomfortable that moment was for you.

Now, I'm going to be honest with you. I think you're making a much bigger deal of this than you need to. You told your husband, you got it off your chest, he comforted you (granted, it was the 2nd time around), and that should be it. The ONLY other thing you need to do (IMHO) is inform your supervisor so that this patient can be assigned to MALE caregivers in the future. There is absolutely no need for you to interact with this patient again. What he said was sexual harassment, and you do not have to put up with it.

I agree that you're "building up a resentment" about this, and I have no idea why. Is there something else going on in your life, maybe at home, that's causing you stress towards your husband?

You need to get a grip on this before it turns into a major mess. It was a minor incident and you need to move on. Yes, it was inappropriate and should not be repeated, but it wasn't anything to build a marital crisis over.
 
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As someone who also works in the medical field, and actually aspires to do what you do (patient caregiving), I really feel for you! I can imagine how awkward and uncomfortable that moment was for you.

Now, I'm going to be honest with you. I think you're making a much bigger deal of this than you need to. You told your husband, you got it off your chest, he comforted you (granted, it was the 2nd time around), and that should be it. The ONLY other thing you need to do (IMHO) is inform your supervisor so that this patient can be assigned to MALE caregivers in the future. There is absolutely no need for you to interact with this patient again. What he said was sexual harassment, and you do not have to put up with it.

I agree that you're "building up a resentment" about this, and I have no idea why. Is there something else going on in your life, maybe at home, that's causing you stress towards your husband?

You need to get a grip on this before it turns into a major mess. It was a minor incident and you need to move on. Yes, it was inappropriate and should not be repeated, but it wasn't anything to build a marital crisis over
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Ink has read my mind again.
Exactly what I've been wondering.

~ Niff
 
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I've been working in health care for 12+ years in a very hands-on manner and what happened to you is extremely mild on the scale of what I've dealt with in terms Of sexual harassment. I can't even say some of the things that have been said to me not to mention touching, etc., and I just tell the person off and get on with my day. It wasn't even said to you! I'm honestly completely puzzled as to why you are so upset by the situation as to have had to go home early. No offense, but you have to either develop a much thicker skin somehow (counseling?) or find a different profession or it will chew you up and spit you out. I can't imagine a comment like the one he made affect me ten minutes after the incident let alone three months!

How long have you been working in health care? Didn't you learn about how to emotionally handle stuff like this as part of your training? Is there some old trauma you're not mentioning here that would explain your (over)reaction?
 
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