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In my opinion, that means they are breaking federal laws and are therefore criminals.
Your opinion is not what the police use as a basis for enforcement in my zip code… Or any other, I’d imagine. In our zip code, criminals come as the result of an arrest, due process, and determination of guilt.

Since nobody in our town has been arrested or even detained, much less successfully prosecuted, your opinion is observed, noted, and discarded as factually incorrect and thus not especially relevant to anything or anybody but you.
 
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This is the reason the leftists say crime is down. Because they have redefined words to suit their agenda.
 
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This is the reason the leftists say crime is down. Because they have redefined words to suit their agenda.
Do you consider disagreeing with the government, or the policies of the government, to be a crime?

-- A2SG, there's a term for governments which criminalize anyone who disagrees with them.....
 
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Do you consider disagreeing with the government, or the policies of the government, to be a crime?

-- A2SG, there's a term for governments which criminalize anyone who disagrees with them.....
No. Do you?
 
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No. Do you?
Nope. Then again, I'm not the one who posited that crime was only down because "leftists" redefined the term in a discussion about sanctuary cities not doing ICE's job for them.

-- A2SG, what crimes did you mean, then?
 
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Nope. Then again, I'm not the one who posited that crime was only down because "leftists" redefined the term in a discussion about sanctuary cities not doing ICE's job for them.

-- A2SG, what crimes did you mean, then?
It has nothing to do with sanctuary cities, per se, as much as it has to do with cities with Democrat mayors who appoint leftist prosecutors, etc., who alter meanings of words.

And “crimes” means crimes. When liberal politicians redefine terms to mean, as in the case of the post I quoted, that a crime is only committed if the perpetrators are arrested and convicted in court, that changes the statistics rates.
 
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It has nothing to do with sanctuary cities, per se, as much as it has to do with cities with Democrat mayors who appoint leftist prosecutors, etc., who alter meanings of words.
Which mayors appoint prosecutors? Everywhere I've ever lived elected the DAs with other positions being civil service.
And “crimes” means crimes. When liberal politicians redefine terms to mean, as in the case of the post I quoted, that a crime is only committed if the perpetrators are arrested and convicted in court, that changes the statistics rates.
How about crimes reported? That's also gone down.

You seem to be blaming liberals for all of society's ills. This is unrealistic, at best.
 
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It has nothing to do with sanctuary cities, per se, as much as it has to do with cities with Democrat mayors who appoint leftist prosecutors, etc., who alter meanings of words.
Putting aside the detail that mayors don't appoint prosecutors, which specific words have been altered, affecting which crimes, exactly?

Specifics, please.

And “crimes” means crimes. When liberal politicians redefine terms to mean, as in the case of the post I quoted, that a crime is only committed if the perpetrators are arrested and convicted in court, that changes the statistics rates.
That is how our justice system works. Those arrested are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Allegations aren't counted as crimes committed.

-- A2SG, last I checked anyway, Trump hasn't rescinded that by executive order....yet...
 
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This is the reason the leftists say crime is down. Because they have redefined words to suit their agenda.
I used the pretty standard definitions, actually. Perhaps give a gander to that little thing called the Constitution? Start with the Fifth Amendment then take a field trip over to the Fourteenth Amendment (I believe).

If that’s too much of a commitment, maybe just watch the opening spiel of “Law and Order” or the closing announcement of any “Cops” episode.
 
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No. A crime is an action taken that is against the law. A criminal is someone who breaks the law. If someone sets a building on fire, it is a crime whether anyone was hurt or not or whether the criminal was caught or not. A criminal doesn’t follow the law because they are criminals. Innocence in the eyes of the law doesn’t mean they aren’t criminals, it just means they haven’t been caught yet. Them being caught, indicted and found guilty in court, satisfies the legal justice system, but they are criminals no matter what.

One of the words that has been redefined is the word crime. The left now defines “crime” to mean only actions that harm another person. If nobody is harmed, then it’s not a crime. To the left. We’ve seen it repeatedly.
 
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I’m supposed to get my morals from a liberal TV show?

Not seeing how either amendment speaks to this issue since illegal aliens who cross the border and violate the law were not born here, and no one is suggesting that they not be treated according to the law.
 
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I’m supposed to get my morals from a liberal TV show?
Ah yes, that famously and blatantly liberal propaganda show… Law and Order.

What I think we have here is a breakdown in the fundamental definition of words. You don’t like liberals and therefore you use liberal as a synonym for “things I don’t like.” Unfortunately for you, that’s not how words work.

Nobody is saying you need to get your morality from Law and Order. I’m saying if you want to understand due process but the constitution is too big a read, start there.
Not seeing how either amendment speaks to this issue since illegal aliens who cross the border and violate the law were not born here, and no one is suggesting that they not be
treated according to the law.
Nobody is saying that people who cross the border were born here…? We are talking about protesters.

You seem confused.
 
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Actually, I watched L&O:SVU faithfully through much of the wokeness till I could stomach it no more. From accusing religion of being fanaticism to the most liberal sexual agenda promoting storylines, I gave up on it.

I watch real life shows to understand due process. Shows like the arrested abroad shows, and Border Wars. ISTM, most leftists don’t understand due process. They claim that that means they can’t be questioned, they don’t seem to have the foggiest idea that they can be held for 24 hours for questioning, etc., without it violating due process rights. Maybe some here do know more, but I have posted several instances where I had to link information that should have been common knowledge.
 
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We were talking about crime and leftists changing the definitions of words so it looks like things aren’t as bad as they really are.

And your condescension for anyone who doesn’t think like you is noted.
 
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When did conservatism embrace Big Government?
 
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