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Is this Moral?

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mo·ral·i·ty Pronunciation (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.

We see that morality means the quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct, this line I would like to discuss regarding the Evoultionist Forum.

Do you think it is Moral to allow such a subject to be discussed inside of a Christian Forum?

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3mu180r said:
Do you think it is Moral to allow such a subject to be discussed inside of a Christian Forum?
Does it say anywhere in the Bible that one shouldn't discuss Evolution? I must have missed that passage.
 
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Verses that refer indirectly to evolution

God gave us several clear warnings in the Bible that in the last days, evolutionism would be a worldwide problem. The words evolution, evolutionism and uniformitarianism don't appear in the Bible because they didn't exist at the time the Bible was written. Instead, God describes these concepts in the Bible using terminology that a) those who lived during the time the Bible was written would understand and b) we would understand today. It isn't too hard to figure out that what these Bible verses are warning us about are a) some of the core principles that evolutionism is based upon and b) some facts about our world's history that evolutionary theory will deny in the last days. Consider this verse as an example:

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
II Peter 3:3-6 - (66 AD)

A comment about "all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation": This is an obvious reference to what we'd refer to today as Uniformitarianism. It is a foundational 'belief' for modern geology as it pertains to evolutionism.

A few comments about "willingly are ignorant of": Look at what God said they'd be willingly (intentionally) ignorant of.

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The fact that he created the heavens by his spoken word fully intact (the heavens were of old). Note that there is nothing in the Bible about God having a stuttering or drooling problem when he speaks so as to cause this spoken creation process to drag on for millions of years. His spoken word caused instantaneous results. He didn't need to take six days. He could have taken six seconds. Read How long is a "day" in the Bible for more information about why he dragged the process out as long as long as He did (six days), and why He rested on the seventh Day when He is someone who doesn't need rest.
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God created the oceans and the land (the earth standing out of the water and in the water).
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A denial of a global flood; again a foundational 'belief' in modern evolutionary geology (world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished). Secular evolutionary scientists today are pushing the idea of localized floods, but they deny that a global flood occurred. The erroneous belief that no global flood occurred is also held by many old earth creationist Christians who have mistakenly compromised with evolutionism.

Here are two more verses that warn us about straying away from the Biblical account of creation (as evolutionism has done):

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what he has made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools...
Romans 1:18-22

I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:1-4


Consequences of forcing evolution on children
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
Romans 14:11-13

God revealed to us His strong feelings about those who cause children to stumble in their faith. It is a well known fact in the creation community that evolution has caused many young people today to doubt the accuracy and authority of the Bible, and to therefore abandon it and Christianity. The high priests of evolutionism who are teachers, school board members, members of the media, etc. will one day have to face the Creator they mocked and ridiculed. When they finally meet Him on judgment day and have to give an account to Him for why they forced the lies of evolution on children, it is unfortunate that only then will realize that the creationists who tried to show them the truth were possibly the best friends they ever had. Here's what God tells us about people who cause children to stumble in their faith:

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew 18:6

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3mu180r said:
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You understand that many, many Christians do not interpret those verses as being anti-evolution, right?

As such, they have no problem with it.

You might.

But that's your lookout.
 
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3mu180r said:
no, not when it is used to cure small pox or to fix the ozone, but when it is indeed used to bring forth the degradation of the validity of the Bible and the all out truth of GOD, it becomes quite immoral.

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But the theory of evolution does not do that. So that's all right then. :)

(Indeed, without the theory of evolution it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to develop cures for many illnesses)
 
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I said science is good for dicovering these cures, but you fail to understand that these things GOD had already created and that it is threw His will that they work and are existant. Please, do not confuse or try to re-arrange my words to mean or seem that I am on your side.. I assure you, I am certainly against you!

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3mu180r said:
mo·ral·i·ty Pronunciation (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.

We see that morality means the quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct, this line I would like to discuss regarding the Evoultionist Forum.

Do you think it is Moral to allow such a subject to be discussed inside of a Christian Forum?

regards

- 3mu180r
Great question. :thumbsup:

First of all the immorality has to be established by a Christian Forum as to why it disallows discussion of Evolution. In order to establish this rule, the Forum has to assert that it is immoral to discuss evolution by way of the Bible - ie. a clear & unquestionable Biblical position of anti-Evolution.

Once entering the forum & conceding to abide by its rules via membership, we enter into a social contract with a CF to not discuss evolution. If discussing evolution was against a CF rule, then breaking such a rule is blatant disregard for our relationship as based on agreed set of right & wrong conduct within a CF - then yes discussing Evolution is immoral.

However, if it is proven that the Bible is only as much anti-Evolution as it is anti-homosexual, & if the CF allows discussion of homosexuality but not Evolution, then the rule of "anti-Evolution only" is considered unjust & immoral.

If this example is true, then a CF is accountable for such an injustice, & is required to amend the situation by allowing or disallowing all Evolution & Homosexuality threads believed to be against Biblical principles.

Note: "CF" means a Christian Forum.
 
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3mu180r said:
I said science is good for dicovering these cures, but you fail to understand that these things GOD had already created and that it is threw His will that they work and are existant. Please, do not confuse or try to re-arrange my words to mean or seem that I am on your side.. I assure you, I am certainly against you!

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- 3mu180r


I am sad that you are against me, because I am for all people, regardless of race, gender or religion. That being said, according to your viewpoint, God also created the disease. I refuse to believe an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being would create disease. Which is one of the many reasons why I do not believe there is a omnipotent, omnibenevolent being.
 
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I agree with you, I too see quite clearly references to those topics.. but I am talking about the entire site, the name is:

The Link said:
christianforums.com

and the banner says:

The Banner said:
Christian Forums is a multi-denominational Christian forum message board community uniting all Christians as one body.

Where does it say atheists and evolutionists too? In fact it should say:

kindofChristianforum.com

and the banner should say:

"Bringing together Christians and Atheists together in one big arena to battle!"

Notice that my post was not answered by any Christians, but 100% atheists up until now, once you have made your post!! AND this is suppost to be the Christian side!!!

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- 3mu180r

EDIT: and dont try to say mult-denominationall includes athesist and evolutionists:
Meaning of DENOMINATIONAL
Pronunciation: di`nâmu'neyshunl

WordNet Dictionary

Definition:

1. [adj] adhering or confined to a particular sect or denomination or party; "denominational prejudice"
2. [adj] relating to or characteristic of a particular religious denomination; "denominational politics"

Because when you add the word Christian behind that you are referring to Christian like religions like Baptist, Pentacostal, Protestant, Catholic, etc.. if this is just a matter of wording then it must be changed, because of now this is considered false advertisment!
 
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