Is this Mark Of The Beast technology?

[SilverBlade]

It's metaphor for what people trust in: money or God? If you look at the very next chapter, God's children receive a mark as well. Do you think that's a technology?

I don't see how enforcing a method of purchases in the right hand without the use of technology is possible..

Right now, credit cards, debit cards, cash..they're not tied down to a specific part of the body. An implant can be.

Which brings up another question which I've had for a while: Say the Mark of the Beast *is* an RFID or biometic implant. Humor me on this: Say a technician is missing that day, or they are rushing to get everyone implanted, or say a technician makes a mistake and implants someone in the *left hand* (mistakes happen people)...so what then? What does God do with this? He took the Mark..which carries the punishment of being set to hell..but in the left hand..when it should have been in the right? Is he punished? or is he allowed in heaven?

 

[eclipsenow]

I don't see how enforcing a method of purchases in the right hand without the use of technology is possible..

Right now, credit cards, debit cards, cash..they're not tied down to a specific part of the body. An implant can be.

Which brings up another question which I've had for a while: Say the Mark of the Beast *is* an RFID or biometic implant. Humor me on this: Say a technician is missing that day, or they are rushing to get everyone implanted, or say a technician makes a mistake and implants someone in the *left hand* (mistakes happen people)...so what then? What does God do with this? He took the Mark..which carries the punishment of being set to hell..but in the left hand..when it should have been in the right? Is he punished? or is he allowed in heaven?

I don't see how God, who gave His Son to pay the price for our rebellion, is going to punish anyone for using a credit card that's embedded under the skin. What kind of rebellion against Him is that anyway? This passage, indeed, this whole BOOK is NOT LITERAL. It's apocalyptic. That means everything in here is a symbolic sermon written to and about and for all Christians since the Lord ascended into heaven and his people started suffering!

This passage is about false gospels and the false wisdom of this world, and it has been relevant to all Christians tempted to trust in wealth, rather than in God, for the last 2000 years. Download and listen to the sermon 'Beware of Limitations' on this page.
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[StillBelieve]

Read that title again…..and again….and then read that same scripture
(Rev.13:16) again….and again…..what do you notice?

This "palm reader" payment thing is ABSOLUTELY a prelude to the mark of the beast. This is how it will all happen, it will just get more invasive as it will become 'law' that everyone will have to have a computer chip with a "mark" (of the beast) on it, in order to 'buy, sell or trade'.
I have tried and tried to convince my ex about this being an absolute truth of our future in this country, but he and many others don't really think theres any harm in it. They just view it as "convenient technology". I'd like to know exactly how they plan on convincing God of that when they stand before Him?

 

[SilverBlade]

Virginia Legislators Outlaw Involuntary Implantation of Microchips | Popular Science

California could become third state to ban forced microchip tag implants (RFID) | Global Research

Georgia Senate Passes Bill Opposing Involuntary Microchips - disinformation

State Legislatures Working on Anti-Microchip-Implant Legislation - Lowering the Bar

 

[StillBelieve]

Like WOW!! That is incredible!! I am amazed, never ever thought I would see that, ESPECIALLY in California!!

 

[SilverBlade]

I still think the 'Mark' is some sort of implant technology, as the prophecy says..it is something that you have to 'receive' or 'get'.

The 'palm reader' technology, I think, can't qualify as those read the vein pattern (or something else) of your hand..something that you can't 'receive' as you are 'born' with it.

 

[eclipsenow]

I still think the 'Mark' is some sort of implant technology, as the prophecy says..it is something that you have to 'receive' or 'get'.

The 'palm reader' technology, I think, can't qualify as those read the vein pattern (or something else) of your hand..something that you can't 'receive' as you are 'born' with it.

What makes you think Revelation is prophecy in the sense of future predictions, and not prophecy in the sense of declaring a gospel of suffering to John's generation and all generations afterwards? What makes you think Revelation is a future timetable? Why do you think John would do that to his suffering generation that desperately needed comfort, and yet John turns around and says "You think YOU'VE got it bad, people in the future are going to have CHIPS in their hands and heads!"

Huh? Read Revelation 1. John wanted HIS generation to understand the tribulation that was coming on THEM. John said HE even shared in THEIR tribulation. I'm pretty sure they didn't have silicon chip implants back then!

 

[morse86]

This is just what I believe..based on KJV:
Revelation 9-19 says:

1. And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
2. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

However, you see we are in the period of god's grace. God requires a sacrifice for all sin...which is death...Jesus took upon himself our sins (through one man entered death, through one man (jesus) entered life). He paid the price for us. Jesus died for all men....it didn't say "except certain men"...if any should believe they have everlasting life. What does everlasting mean? temporary? conditional? no it means forever. Another verse says NOTHING can pluck the saints out of jesus's hand.

We know that in the end times, no one can buy or sell without the mark. Are you saying that god is going to take away salvation from a saint just because they almost died of starvation or a techicality? To me, that sounds like works salvation instead of grace by faith salvation.

Salvation is either a gift of god...not of man OR you have to earn it. The bible makes it clearly over and over and over, it is by faith..it's a gift.


Matthew 5:20:
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 4:5-6:

1. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
2. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt (jesus was the ultimate payment..if you believe..abraham said god himself will provide the lamb..the sacrifice).
3. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

You see......the faith is counted on for righteousness.

So I say, those who take the mark, IF THEY trust in jesus only and NOT their works, they are saved (most likely they want to escape the persecution of them by antichrist)


Here are some other verses from God himself to solidify that you can never lose your salvation:
John 6:37:
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 10:28:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Ephesians 1:13:
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:6:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


All these verses show it's by faith...it never was by work.

 

[eclipsenow]

This is just what I believe..based on KJV:
Revelation 9-19 says:

1. And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
2. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

However, you see we are in the period of god's grace. God requires a sacrifice for all sin...which is death...Jesus took upon himself our sins (through one man entered death, through one man (jesus) entered life). He paid the price for us. Jesus died for all men....it didn't say "except certain men"...if any should believe they have everlasting life. What does everlasting mean? temporary? conditional? no it means forever. Another verse says NOTHING can pluck the saints out of jesus's hand.

We know that in the end times, no one can buy or sell without the mark. Are you saying that god is going to take away salvation from a saint just because they almost died of starvation or a techicality? To me, that sounds like works salvation instead of grace by faith salvation.

Salvation is either a gift of god...not of man OR you have to earn it. The bible makes it clearly over and over and over, it is by faith..it's a gift.


Matthew 5:20:
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 4:5-6:

1. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
2. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt (jesus was the ultimate payment..if you believe..abraham said god himself will provide the lamb..the sacrifice).
3. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

You see......the faith is counted on for righteousness.

So I say, those who take the mark, IF THEY trust in jesus only and NOT their works, they are saved (most likely they want to escape the persecution of them by antichrist)


Here are some other verses from God himself to solidify that you can never lose your salvation:
John 6:37:
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 10:28:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Ephesians 1:13:
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:6:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


All these verses show it's by faith...it never was by work.

I truly hate the KJV's hyper-religious sounding language, BUT...
I truly LOVE the points you're making and totally agree with you!

This 'mark of the beast' hype undermines the very basics of the gospel of salvation by faith!

Not only that, would I go to hell if I took the mark on my LEFT hand, instead of my right, or the BACK of my head, instead of my forehead... or my foot if I were handicapped and had no hands? Heaven or hell, for all eternity, based on... a semantic misunderstanding of a verse? Left hand's OK, because there's nothing spelling out any threat on the left hand?

It's just so silly, and contrary to everything we understand of the gospel from the clearer sections of scripture.

It's because people try to read Revelation as literal. It's not. It's literary. But what genre? Anyone who knows hermeneutics and history immediately recognises this to be apocalyptic symbolism, where the overall feeling and impression of the symbols is what is important rather than trying to group them into any specific timetable or pattern. That's just so silly!

The mark of the beast is a warning about taking on human wisdom and philosophies. Don't trust in the crude power of worldly, pagan governments to save you, or wealth, as these are mankind's solutions. (666 is the number of man: we were made on the 6th day of the week, work six days a week, and are not perfect like God whose own number is 777).

Contrast 13 with the beginning of 14. There's an image of all God's saints, safe in heaven, also being given a mark! That mark is about as literal as Jesus having 7 eyes and 7 horns. It's all symbolic of greater GOSPEL truths. Revelation is the gospel writ large in colourful metaphors and symbols. It's warning us against all the things Jesus warned us about in the gospels: money, persecution, worldly pride, etc. Anyone who reads Revelation chapter 1 carefully can pick apart the symbolism to see that John wants his generation to hear and obey, because it's the gospel itself that John is about to proclaim! It is simply not a future timetable!

Regards

 

[SeekerOfChrist94]

I definitely think it could end up being the mark. As xTx stated, unless it is oppressive, then it isn't the mark itself. But everything lately has to do with using fingerprints to access things (the new iPhones, the new playstation 4 controllers, etc.) and things like that which means we're getting closer and closer to implants.

 

[eclipsenow]

Hi Seeker,
did you even read the last 2 posts? I definitely DON'T think the Mark is a literal silicon chip style implant, but a symbol of who and what we trust in. Christians are 'marked' by God in the very next chapter. See the contrasting symbolism?

 

[SeekerOfChrist94]

Hi Seeker,
did you even read the last 2 posts? I definitely DON'T think the Mark is a literal silicon chip style implant, but a symbol of who and what we trust in. Christians are 'marked' by God in the very next chapter. See the contrasting symbolism?

I never said you did, I wasn't even talking about what you posted. The OP just wanted our opinion and I was posting mine.

 

[eclipsenow]

I never said you did, I wasn't even talking about what you posted. The OP just wanted our opinion and I was posting mine.

How does your opinion reconcile itself with the Christian gospel of salvation by faith, not works?

 

[WorkingForChrist]

If you read the King James Version which is the literal translation it says this

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" - Revelation 13:16.

It says in their right hand or in their foreheads, the pulse wallet could not be it as it is nor in your hand, a RFID chip is usually inserted into the hand, often the piece of skin between the thumb and forefinger.