Is this a legitimate request?

aiki said:

I don't believe people authored the Bible. Humans may have written the Bible but its Author is God. This is a classic Christian view of the Bible.

Amen for "All Scripture is God breath"


Certainly. But I don't think He does so as a common practice. He doesn't need to since He has already thoroughly expressed Himself to us in His Word, the Bible.

I don't think He is biting His nails hoping you'll believe in Him. He is a loving God and so He offers you His salvation and fellowship. But He is God and doesn't need you to do so. If you want to play games and fool around with your eternal destiny, He is willing to let you. He isn't the one who has anything to lose if you die in your sins.

That He exists.

With the revelation of and fellowship with Himself. He is the ultimate reward for every Christian person.

Because the majority desire to serve themselves rather than their Maker. It is easier to do this when one pretends God does not exist.

Oh, you know God exists - and He knows that deep down within you know this. What He wants, then, isn't your belief but your loving fellowship with Him. But you must enter into such fellowship freely and joyfully. God does not want to relate to you when you are grudgingly compelled by the force of inescapable fact into doing so.

The evidence for God is considerable and persuasive. Can you provide the same evidence for the FSM? I think not.

God wants you to trust in Him but you must do so on His terms, not your own. He is God and He tells you how its going to go, not the other way 'round.

Ask Him yourself. Just don't expect He'll answer exactly as you'd like. When I asked God to make Himself real to me I was not prepared at all for the means He used to do so. It was very...unpleasant. Necessary, but unpleasant.

Selah.

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All Scripture is God breath and He does not answer to us we shall all answer to Him ... Although God has already gave every answer to any question that is important to know and understand.

What more proof does one need of Gods love for them than that He showed them and the world at Calvary? I say none.

Its up to them to believe and receive or doubt and do without and seeing that God gave everyone their own free will they make that choice and they can't blame God for choices they make of their own free will .

All were born in sin but they choose the sin they practice.
I don't think the one asking questions really wants answers because he/she only wants to get others to doubt God and so that would lead me to think they are on a mission of their god the Devil ,for he tempted Eve to doubt God so would those of their father do the same .
One last Scripture for the one with questions that you and others have trid to help I don't think he/she wants help they are here to hinder JMO
Here is the Scripture ROMANS 6:23 he or she can look it up and while they are reading they should read John 1:1-14

Spaceman 3 said:

Thanks cerette...

God is the omniscient, omnipotent creator of all things... no?

If God created Lucifer, who later became corrupted by evil, then where did evil come from?

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Simple fact God did not create robots God created all the host of Heaven and God created Man(kind) and just as God gave Man(kind) a free will God also gave the angels free will and lucifer/satan used his free will to act against God and then 1/3 of the angels with a free will desided to side with lucifer/satan .

Akureyri said:

Many Christians I know claim that God knows everything and wants everyone to believe he exists. They also claim that they communicate back and forth with God.

So I'll say I'm thinking of a number from 1 to ten million. I'll ask the Christian to ask God what number I'm thinking of and when God reports back to them with the number that they share it with me. If they are right that God wants me to believe he exists, that God knows everything and that they can communicate back and forth with God, then they should have no trouble producing the number. But they refuse to take me up on my offer. As I don't see anything wrong with this request, it suggests that the Christians making these three claims aren't being intellectually honest.

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I have a degree in secular philosophy--I think I'm at least somewhat intellectually realistic. And what you are asking isn't theologically cogent. Sorry bud!

aiki said:

The Bible was written by humans some two thousand years ago. Are you calling the people who wrote the Bible "God"? If so, why call them God? Why not call them what they are - the people who wrote the Bible?

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I don't believe people authored the Bible. Humans may have written the Bible but its Author is God. This is a classic Christian view of the Bible.

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What do you consider to be the difference between writing something and being its author? If humans weren't really the author, but were merely the people who wrote down what God had authored, then why didn't God write down the Bible himself? Especially if he can do anything?

Can God communicate with humans using an audible voice?

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Certainly. But I don't think He does so as a common practice. He doesn't need to since He has already thoroughly expressed Himself to us in His Word, the Bible.

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It seems to me if he exists, the reason he doesn't communicate in an audible voice is because he wants to remain invisible and undetectable. Just how does it serve the agenda of God to remain invisible and undetectable - especially since this makes him non-distinguishable from a god that doesn't even exist?

I'm willing to give Christians and their God the benefit of the doubt. It's his choice. And if he knows everything, then he'll know precisely what it would take to get me to believe he exists. As actions speak louder than words, if your God is real, he doesn't give a rats behind whether or not I believe he exists.

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I don't think He is biting His nails hoping you'll believe in Him. He is a loving God and so He offers you His salvation and fellowship. But He is God and doesn't need you to do so. If you want to play games and fool around with your eternal destiny, He is willing to let you. He isn't the one who has anything to lose if you die in your sins.

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If he wants me to believe he exist, he has much to lose by not demonstrating to me that he exists. How does it serve God's agenda for me and others to not hold the belief that he exists? Seems to me this wouldn't be good for God, as there is the potential that the position of non-belief that myself and others hold could spread.

God has given all the "proof" you need to "believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."

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That he is what?

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That He exists.

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Look at what you said again. There are incomplete statements. Now that you've answered my question, it appears you're really saying:

God has given all the "proof" you need to "believe that He exists and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."

By saying "He is" and leaving it at that doesn't provide any information.

e.g. 'The water bottle is' vs. 'The water bottle is full'

In what way does God reward those to diligently seek him?

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With the revelation of and fellowship with Himself. He is the ultimate reward for every Christian person.

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I've made a very diligent proposal to God (if he exists) for himself to show that he exists. Since believing he exists is a prerequisite to have fellowship with him and to have a relationship with him, then I have taken reasonable first steps. Why does he not respond? Why does he seem so intent on appearing no different than if he doesn't exist? Just how does it serve his agenda to appear invisible and undetectable?

Why do more people not believe the Christian god is real than do believe the Christian god is real?

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Because the majority desire to serve themselves rather than their Maker. It is easier to do this when one pretends God does not exist.

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Why hasn't the Christian God done what is necessary to make these non-Christians and non-believers believe God exists? Just how does it serve the Christian God's agenda for there to be more non-believers than believers?

Does he want me to believe he exists?

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Oh, you know God exists - and He knows that deep down within you know this. What He wants, then, isn't your belief but your loving fellowship with Him. But you must enter into such fellowship freely and joyfully. God does not want to relate to you when you are grudgingly compelled by the force of inescapable fact into doing so.

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Do I know God exists? What real thing is it you're calling God? Upon answering that question, we might find out that I do know your god exists.

How do you know what God wants?

Why does God remain invisible and undetectable if he wants people to believe he exists?

How can I trust or distrust something which I don't believe to exist? Do you trust the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Do you distrust the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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The evidence for God is considerable and persuasive. Can you provide the same evidence for the FSM? I think not.

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I can provide just as much proof and evidence of the FSM as you can for your God. What evidence and/or proof do you have of your god?

If you don't believe God wants me to believe he exists, then my request bears no merit from your perspective.

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God wants you to trust in Him but you must do so on His terms, not your own. He is God and He tells you how its going to go, not the other way 'round.

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That's not the way it works if the only way I'll believe he exists is if he does whatever it will take to get me to believe he exists.

They can ask God to demonstrate to me that he is real.

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Ask Him yourself. Just don't expect He'll answer exactly as you'd like. When I asked God to make Himself real to me I was not prepared at all for the means He used to do so. It was very...unpleasant. Necessary, but unpleasant.

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I've already asked. But I get no answer or response. See http://www.christianforums.com/t7784270/

NeoStar said:

So... U still need an answer right?

Cause I've got it

A number between 1 and 1trillion

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What number does God say I'm thinking of?

2PhiloVoid said:

I have a degree in secular philosophy--I think I'm at least somewhat intellectually realistic. And what you are asking isn't theologically cogent. Sorry bud!

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It might not be theologically cogent, but if your god is real, he wants me to believe he exists and he both knows everything and can do anything, then there is nothing wrong with my request. Why do you think there is something wrong with my request?

Forgiven777 said:

Simple fact God did not create robots God created all the host of Heaven and God created Man(kind) and just as God gave Man(kind) a free will God also gave the angels free will and lucifer/satan used his free will to act against God and then 1/3 of the angels with a free will desided to side with lucifer/satan .

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How do you know all of this about God?