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Is this a final proof of free will?
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<blockquote data-quote="Petros2015" data-source="post: 75851758" data-attributes="member: 388403"><p>We could probably build a robotic random massage generator, but I don't think anyone would say thank you.</p><p></p><p>BTW, random number generators from computers aren't random... turns out it's really hard to get a random number. Might be a counter-argument, at least as strong as the one you are making.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://medium.com/code-yoga/random-numbers-are-not-random-701dd2fbc2b8" target="_blank">Random numbers are not Random!</a></p><p></p><p>I once tried to crack Keno based on this... my thought was, if I could get the first few sequences at the beginning of the day and brute force figure out the seed it used before the end of the day, I'd know every answer it was going to come up with for the rest of the day...</p><p></p><p>but a) it was a lot more complex than I was giving it credit for (I think they gave some people like me some thought along the way <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> I'm pretty sure it also chooses a random number of random numbers in between each actual 'winning' random number that it reports on a given run</p><p>and b) I had nowhere near the computing power I needed even if it didn't</p><p></p><p>Of course, that was back in the early 2000's.</p><p></p><p>Still might be easier to mine Keno than bitcoin though <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Petros2015, post: 75851758, member: 388403"] We could probably build a robotic random massage generator, but I don't think anyone would say thank you. BTW, random number generators from computers aren't random... turns out it's really hard to get a random number. Might be a counter-argument, at least as strong as the one you are making. [URL='https://medium.com/code-yoga/random-numbers-are-not-random-701dd2fbc2b8']Random numbers are not Random![/URL] I once tried to crack Keno based on this... my thought was, if I could get the first few sequences at the beginning of the day and brute force figure out the seed it used before the end of the day, I'd know every answer it was going to come up with for the rest of the day... but a) it was a lot more complex than I was giving it credit for (I think they gave some people like me some thought along the way ;) I'm pretty sure it also chooses a random number of random numbers in between each actual 'winning' random number that it reports on a given run and b) I had nowhere near the computing power I needed even if it didn't Of course, that was back in the early 2000's. Still might be easier to mine Keno than bitcoin though ;) [/QUOTE]
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