Is there pain in heaven?

[a.d.ivNonasNovembres]

Someone was saying how they thought that heaven would be boring, no pain, no risk etc.
And it got me wondering if there really is no pain in heaven? I am talking about emotional as well as physical pain.

There are a couple of ways I can think to look at this:
1) I have been told that angels can't change, that for instance it is not possible for an angel to fall that didn't fall the first time, because their choice was instantaneous and eternal, and that's why angels cannot be redeemed the way humans can. I have also been told that after death we are like that, that we become set at death and become unchangeable like angels. Part of me wonders how that ties in with resurrection of the body, but I can conceptualise various ways it could work. If people cannot change, then the most obvious use for pain, to effectively say "stop that!" is gone. So that leads me to think it makes sense that there would be no pain in heaven.

2) However it is arguable that pain serves more purpose than just to discourage particular behaviors. For instance there is a social use of pain, when we suffer we engage in a shared experience with everyone who suffers. Also I think I have heard of people in heaven being pained over the actions of people on earth and similar, so that suggests there is pain in heaven.

3) But some people would say that pain and suffering is an evil and there can be no evil in heaven. Which lends to the view that there is no pain in heaven.

4) But is pain and suffering really evil, in and of itself? I think it is arguable that it is not. Perhaps unbearable, perhaps even unaccepted pain is. But there are instances of pain and suffering that I would say are not in themselves evil. Which does not mean that pain does exist in heaven, but that it might do?

What are your thoughts? Is there a set answer to this question that I don't know yet if so what is it? If not has it been explored in any detail by anyone?

 

[Radagast]

There will be no pain in heaven:

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (Rev 21:1-4)

It is true that now on earth pain is useful as a warning of danger, etc., but then that will no longer be needed.

 

[Taylor43]

There is no pain in Heaven.

Here on earth we do have pain and sufferring, because of sin. Once we go to heavan there is no more pain.

 

[Kyle_2]

I agree with the others that have posted. Heaven is a place in which all we feel is the warmth of god's love.

 

[LetHeavenFillyourThoughts]

The Father lives in Heaven, Jesus prayed so. The Father and Jesus, and holy Spirit are one. Jesus felt sorrow for his friend Lazarus who died. Sorrow is pain. Holy Spirit is grieved by our sinful choices and behavior. Grief is pain. God in heaven feels pain.

But in the future, when the saved receive eternal life and their bodies are glorified, recalcitrant sinners are burned up, Satan is thrown into the pit, and the Lord's sanctified rule with in him, there will be no such pain.

 

[rainbowheydrich]

Of course there isn't! In order for something to have pain, it must exist. Since there is no heaven, there is no pain! Isn't that GREAT news?

 

[jazzypooh]

heaven will be anything BUT boring! and no there is no pain but since when was pain pleasurable? pain doesn't make life fun. it sure hasn't made mine fun. when i picture heaven, i picture my best, most joyful moments except in heaven they'll never end and there won't be any sin. we'll be in the presence of our eternal God. the Bible says there's joy in His presence, not pain or boredom.

God bless,
~jazzy~

 

[JCFantasy23]

It's hard for me to imagine never having another doubt, any pain or confusion, hurt feelings, absolutely no anger, but it seems like it will be so.

 

[suzybeezy]

We have pain because we live in the world where there is since. Heaven will not have sin, thus will not have pain.

 

[a.d.ivNonasNovembres]

We have pain because we live in the world where there is since. Heaven will not have sin, thus will not have pain.

Pain is caused by sin?
So say Adam had kicked a rock (perhaps he wanted to play football and was testing different materials to see if they were suitable for footballs) - he wouldn't have felt pain? Isn't there a disease where you feel no pain, and then you get injured without realising it over time and its really bad?
Well were Adam and Eve's bodies not basically the same as ours (but resurrection bodies will have cool new attributes, so are kind of different) - but they had no sin. I think they would need pain, even if they don't need suffering? So I can't see pain itself being caused by sin?

And if there is no pain in heaven now what does it mean to say when God is grieved over the actions of people on earth?

 

[jazzypooh]

Pain is caused by sin?
So say Adam had kicked a rock (perhaps he wanted to play football and was testing different materials to see if they were suitable for footballs) - he wouldn't have felt pain? Isn't there a disease where you feel no pain, and then you get injured without realising it over time and its really bad?
Well were Adam and Eve's bodies not basically the same as ours (but resurrection bodies will have cool new attributes, so are kind of different) - but they had no sin. I think they would need pain, even if they don't need suffering? So I can't see pain itself being caused by sin?

And if there is no pain in heaven now what does it mean to say when God is grieved over the actions of people on earth?

pain and grief are not the same thing. the grief that God feels is a holy grief. when it says that He's grieved, it's saying that He's upset with our sins because He is a holy God. it's not saying that He's literally feeling pain the way we feel pain in our bodies at times. pain is physical to us. but grief is a mood felt by God, not a physical infirmity. Jesus was never sick. instead He healed the sick. so sickness is not a characteristic of God. so why would sickness or pain be in heaven where God dwells?

and if pain is not a characteristic of God, then who is it a characteristic of? the pain and sickness we feel in our bodies is a result of our sinful nature. that's not saying everytime we get sick it's because we're sinning. sometimes that could be the case, but not always. i believe that is what suzybeezy was saying.

and i'm curious, why would you wanna feel pain or sickness in heaven?

search your Bible for scriptures that speak about heaven. you won't find any that speak about pain or sickness being in heaven.

Love,
~jazzy

 

[a.d.ivNonasNovembres]

pain and grief are not the same thing. the grief that God feels is a holy grief. when it says that He's grieved, it's saying that He's upset with our sins because He is a holy God. it's not saying that He's literally feeling pain the way we feel pain in our bodies at times. pain is physical to us. but grief is a mood felt by God, not a physical infirmity. Jesus was never sick. instead He healed the sick. so sickness is not a characteristic of God. so why would sickness or pain be in heaven where God dwells?

Emotional pain is pain...

and if pain is not a characteristic of God, then who is it a characteristic of? the pain and sickness we feel in our bodies is a result of our sinful nature. that's not saying everytime we get sick it's because we're sinning. sometimes that could be the case, but not always. i believe that is what suzybeezy was saying.

Did God not feel pain, in his body as well, on the Cross?

and i'm curious, why would you wanna feel pain or sickness in heaven?

I don't particularly, but I just wondered because of this other person talking about how they thought it would be boring without suffering of any kind ever again. It's true though that I do kind of enjoy the excitement of all the sturm und drang on earth. However I accept that from what I have been told here and elsewhere that there is no pain in heaven at the very least after the ressurection.

 

[jazzypooh]

Emotional pain is pain...

but you're trying to reduce God down to the feelings of man. that is error. God is not emotional in the same way that humans are. He's GOD, not human. human emotion is not the same as God emotion. we try to relate to Him from our finite, human understanding when we have to view Him the way He presents Himself to us in Scripture not from our own unscriptural understanding.

Did God not feel pain, in his body as well, on the Cross?

and that was the only time - when He bore our sins for us on the cross and that INCLUDED sickness. so that further lets u know that sickness is associated with sin, because Christ defeated it along with sin. and now since He has been resurrected and we have come into His kingdom we can exchange our emotional pain and sickness for His joy and sound health. He's not feeling that pain now. He only died once for sin.

I don't particularly, but I just wondered because of this other person talking about how they thought it would be boring without suffering of any kind ever again. It's true though that I do kind of enjoy the excitement of all the sturm und drang on earth. However I accept that from what I have been told here and elsewhere that there is no pain in heaven at the very least after the ressurection.

that's good. but for future reference, don't accept something just because someone told you or convinced you. man is very good at persuading the intellect. so instead accept it because it's Scripture and that's what God says. that's why u gotta read Scripture. u can't be convinced of something u don't know or read. not saying u dont, i'm just encouraging u to do so the more.

Love,
~jazzy

 

[warriorbride]

God says in the bible that he takes all our tears and puts them in a bottle,
the only people that have said that they see people on earth and they have pain for them is if someone dies and God lets them see part of their life or future, but they have not died and gone to heaven, God sent them back. We will not even have a desire for our spouses, because Jesus will be our bridegroom and we are the bride and our eyes and attention will only be on him. God says we will rull and rein when whe get to heaven, it will not be boring by any means, and if we don't learn our lessons here, we will have to waste our time in heaven doing it. Our bodies will be translusent and we will have our heavenly bodies and minds, and we will only be filled with joy unspeakable. I believe we will be worshiping God with the angels as God loves the praises of his people, it says in the bible.

We are going to suffer, Christ even said it in James, to mature us, to build character and attitude, to make us persevere. If we didn't go through trials, how would we learn about faith and building our faith? Jesus said that the only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ, not through the saints or mother mary. God says its not by faith, but by grace that we are saved, not of works. So we don't have to go the rosary, or believe in purgitory, Jesus would have died in vain, if that was the case, he would have died for nothing if you are telling him, that you still have to work your way into heaven. God said we have the assurance of salvation through Jesus Christ. Praying to dead people is called necromancer and having statues of Mother Mary and praying to her and the saints, they are not alive, there is no where in the bible, where they died and rose again, only Jesus Christ did that. God Bless You.