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Is there forgiveness?

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When Christ first calls us to follow Him, is there forgiveness for someone who put a worldly desire first? In other words, can I follow Him now?

Does He forgive those who put their hand to the plow and look back at what would be left behind (by accident!)?

Is there forgiveness for those who do not forsake all to follow Him when He calls?

I am referring to Luke 9:57-62
 

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An old saying goes, those who worry about something, specifically when it comes to Jesus, aren't the ones who have to worry. If you're worrying about rejecting His Call, you're desiring to fulfill His calling, you're seeking Him first... which are all right things to be doing.

He requires your faith first and foremost. You aren't unforgivable, relax.
 
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Please recall this verse: But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly calling in Christ Jesus.… Philippians 3:13-14.

We've all messed up in the past. We can stare at our mistakes or follow the road ahead with God. Which one will make you a better person and Christian?

I answered your other thread, too. I sincerely pray you are set free from the accuser's illusions and free to follow God with enthusiasm!
 
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Here's something I've found helpful: when beset by doubts and accusations, don't continue to think about them and wonder about their veracity. Instead, focus on God alone by singing hymns, reading the bible, praying, listening to a spiritual teaching, etc. If you focus is all on God, the enemy can't communicate to you as well. God will let you know what you need to change in your life. I hope this helps, sister.
 
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One more thing. Sit down alone and talk to God as if He is sitting there too. He is sitting there too. Tell Him every thing, this is confessing, He already knows anyway. It will be good for your soul to get it out in the open in front of you. Then you will have peace, on the inside, with your self.
 
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May I suggest that Kim R take a close look at John 1:11-13, and see what those inspired statements actually say.

John 1:11-13:
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Naturally, these words applied initially to the Jewish people. But after their initial period of exclusive access to God through the Christ, the opportunity was opened up to non-Jews as well (for which I am personally thankful).

Note Verse 12: “As many as received him, to them gave he power … even to them that believe on his name”. The receiving of him, the belief in him and in what he had achieved, and making him welcome by faith, established a positive, beneficial relationship.

Based on that relationship, those people were made an offer: “to them gave he power to become the sons of God”. Note that John, as inspired by God, did not say that they were made children of God, but that they were given the power, the right, the authority to become sons of God. There was (and is) a second step involved.

If that is indeed the case, then two considerations emerge:
1. Verse 13 describes those who have taken that second step;
2. Could “those who put their hand to the plow” refer to those same people?

Could Luke 9:62 actually offer some clarification?
And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Does that verse refer to people who have taken the second step after seriously counting the cost as Jesus counselled?

Luke 14:26-33:
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it ?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it , all that behold it begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

(Please consider: Did Jesus say people should do their homework well before taking the plunge, or did he say that there would be a sticky end for those who did not take that plunge? The former, yes. The latter, no. Is that not food for thought?)


If the above ideas engender a degree of discomfort (because they are different from what most churches would teach, their teachings being based on a cursory reading of Verse 12), then maybe the following could be viewed as an alternative source of help:

1 Corinthians 3:11-15:
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

In a word picture, his (or her) house will burn down, but he (or she) will get out unscathed – retaining nothing but the clothes they are wearing.


Hopefully that has been of some help.

In my experience, properly read Scripture always clarifies troubling questions regarding faith and doctrine.
 
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Kim R has expressed her concern that she is lacking the peace of God, and the assurance of forgiveness. That situation would make anyone terribly worried.

Because of the seriousness of her situation, I will diverge from my normal practice of not addressing people directly. My normal practice helps to minimise the possibility of negative connotations being assigned (accidentally or deliberately) to the thoughts that I express.

Kim, I can state with confidence, based on God's specific statements to us as recorded in His Inspired Revelation (the Bible), that you have nothing to worry about. You are safe. Your concerns are the result of improper teaching that you have been exposed to.

You are not the only person to have been led into the situation you are in.

I will summarise for you what God's revelation tells us. I will not expand the references given, because of space. You will need to look them up yourself.

God tells us that there is a sin leading to death. (1 John 5:16,17)
Jesus Himself described that sin. (Matthew 12:31,32; Mark 3:28,29; Luke 12:10)
More detail about what that blasphemy (sin leading to death) is, is found in a number of places. (Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 10:38,39 for instance.)
The sin unto death is shown to be total apostasy – a total rejection of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
For other shortcomings there is a sure and certain remedy. (1 John 2:1,2)

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And if my careful reading of God's Holy Revelation is correct, a person cannot commit apostasy unless and until that person has taken the second step that John 1:12 indicates.

I perceive you have not done so. (Therefore you have not yet put your hand to the plow.)

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You have nothing to worry about. You are safe. God has not withdrawn His hand extended out to you. His arms are open.

That realisation should bring you peace.
 
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Thank you Pedrito, very insightful. Thanks for responding and funny how you knew about the possibility of false teaching. Well, I do worry that I put my hand to the plow because I resolved to follow Christ years ago but turned my own way (yet thinking I was serving Him... but I was doing what He asked me not to do). Not sure how to fix this now if possible.
 
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Thank you Pedrito, very insightful. Thanks for responding and funny how you knew about the possibility of false teaching. Well, I do worry that I put my hand to the plow because I resolved to follow Christ years ago but turned my own way (yet thinking I was serving Him... but I was doing what He asked me not to do). Not sure how to fix this now if possible.
It sounds like you were a "prodigal son." If so prepare yourself for the feast.
 
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I'm lacking the peace of God, and assurance of forgiveness. That's what makes me so terribly worried.
The Peace, Joy and Righteousness that Jesus gives, along with Salvation, are freely given, from the Father, gifts coinciding with Salvation.
Being worried is a good sign I think, of a still viable conscience and awareness of sin and disobedience.

Being worried, with NO assurance of salvation, is common with people in groups that deny Jesus and His Word (churches too).

It's a sign to people to beware, to keep seeking the Father and Truth of Salvation by Faith and Grace in Jesus.

(But in many groups, it's used to keep them under control instead of freeing them - so they're not told the Truth and
have to find it on their own - which they can do IF THEY SEEK THE FATHER THEMSELVES, SEEK GOD and HIS KINGDOM according to His Word ONLY).
 
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I would suggest that yeshuaslavejeff hit the nail on the head when he said:
Being worried is a good sign I think, of a still viable conscience and awareness of sin and disobedience.

Your concern, Kim, is a sure sign that you have not committed the “sin unto death”, and that you are back on the expressway even if you took an unfortunate side track for a while.

Consider the example of one person recorded in God's Holy Word, who did things that we might consider shocking. King David's murdered Bathsheba's husband, and yet he ended up dying in the faith as it then was.

I suggest that the fix for your perceived continuing problem is to simply renew your resolve to follow Christ, and remember what Paul, who labelled himself the chief of sinners, said in Philippians 3:13,14::
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
 
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When Christ first calls us to follow Him, is there forgiveness for someone who put a worldly desire first? In other words, can I follow Him now?

Does He forgive those who put their hand to the plow and look back at what would be left behind (by accident!)?

Is there forgiveness for those who do not forsake all to follow Him when He calls?

I am referring to Luke 9:57-62

I'm going to start with a fundamental fact: Jesus' death was the sacrifice for all sin. Obviously it wasn't just for sin committed up to that time, but sin for all time. So there is forgiveness for your sin -- all of it.

I assume that you accepted Christ as your savior, then sinned afterward. When you died to sin you were resurrected into a new life in Christ, thereby becoming one of God's children. Do you really think that God would disinherit you because you made a mistake? We forgive our natural children for the mistakes they make; how much more so does a perfect, loving God forgive his children?

By your concern for the mistake that you may have made, you're showing that you have a heart toward God and a desire to behave as well as you can to be his child.

God forgives. Period.
 
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I'm going to start with a fundamental fact: Jesus' death was the sacrifice for all sin. Obviously it wasn't for sin committed up to that time, but sin for all time. So there is forgiveness for your sin -- all of it.

I assume that you accepted Christ as your savior, then sinned afterward. When you died to sin you were resurrected into a new life in Christ, thereby becoming one of God's children. Do you really think that God would disinherit you because you made a mistake? We forgive our natural children for the mistakes they make; how much more so does a perfect, loving God forgive his children?

By your concern for the mistake that you may have made, you're showing that you have a heart toward God and a desire to behave as well as you can to be his child.

God forgives. Period.
I agree with everything you said except your second sentence. Jesus was a propitiation for all sins. Propitiation means all things that came before and all things that will come after. All sins were forgiven.
 
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