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Creation, evolution; it all requires magic. I don't pretend to understand it, I just believe it. In fact the more science tries to explain evolution, the more I see creation. Strange, eh?
Creation, evolution; it all requires magic. I don't pretend to understand it, I just believe it. In fact the more science tries to explain evolution, the more I see creation. Strange, eh?
I would agree. Creation fits with the reality we see in the universe. We see what we should see if God created the universe.
You would make that claim no matter what evidence is observed, hence the dogmatic belief of design.
You would make that claim no matter what evidence is observed, hence the dogmatic belief of design.
Could you give examples of "scientists who are top in their field"?Really? The scientists who are top in their field see design, why do you feel I would make the claim otherwise? What do you base this assertion on?
Really? The scientists who are top in their field see design, why do you feel I would make the claim otherwise? What do you base this assertion on?
No they don't. What most say is what they see what might look like design but probably is not.Really? The scientists who are top in their field see design, why do you feel I would make the claim otherwise? What do you base this assertion on?
Could you give examples of "scientists who are top in their field"?
No they don't. What most say is what they see what might look like design but probably is not.
You are still proposing that if something looks designed, it is designed.
Dizredux
-_- intelligent design is by far not supported by the majority of scientists in physics or biology. Why do I know that? Because in most of those fields, theism is way lower than in the general population.
No, they claim it appears as design but their opinion is that it probably isn't.
I have made it very clear as to what I am proposing and you continue to dismiss what I am saying.
No they don't. What most say is what they see what might look like design but probably is not.
You are still proposing that if something looks designed, it is designed.
Dizredux
Yes, appearance of design, we all get that piece.
Have you had a chance yet, to define what is designed and what is not, that is falsifiable?
If by all accounts it shows design in form and function it was probably designed or planned. Man is a designer and planner and therefore recognizes design and planning (he who has eyes to see, etc.). Another criteria would be, does the organism show design when illustrated forensically. A maple seed would be a good example. Was it's helicopter 'wing' a product of purposeful design, or an evolutionary accident?
My claim is the appearance of design as described by Scientists like Paul Davies and Fred Hoyle is that the universe has an underlying order and has the appearance of a planned or fixed nature. It would be falsifiable if indeed if the values were not necessary or so precise.
Could you elaborate on this falsification?
The problem here is to give an operational definition of design in order to determine if something is designed or not. Just saying that something appears to someone as being designed is not enough. You have to say what measurable characteristics lead you to believe that something looks like it was designed.If by all accounts it shows design in form and function it was probably designed or planned. Man is a designer and planner and therefore recognizes design and planning (he who has eyes to see, etc.). Another criteria would be, does the organism show design when illustrated forensically. A maple seed would be a good example. Was it's helicopter 'wing' a product of purposeful design, or an evolutionary accident?
My claim is the appearance of design as described by Scientists like Paul Davies and Fred Hoyle is that the universe has an underlying order and has the appearance of a planned or fixed nature.
It would be falsifiable if indeed if the values were not necessary or so precise.
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