Is there any support for the Investigate Judgment from Ellen White's visions?

[Bourbaki]

I'd like to know if the Adventist doctrine of the Investigative Judgment is entirely an interpretation of Scripture or if there is support of it from the visions of Ellen G. White. If Ellen White never had a vision about the Investigative Judgment, then I feel free to publish my own interpretation.

 

[DrStupid_Ben]

I'd like to know if the Adventist doctrine of the Investigate Judgment is entirely an interpretation of Scripture or if there is support of it from the visions of Ellen G. White. If Ellen White never had a vision about the Investigate Judgment, then I feel free to publish my own interpretation.

Why don't you publish your own interpretation anyway?

 

[sentipente]

If Ellen White never had a vision about the Investigate Judgment, then I feel free to publish my own interpretation.

Pardon the interruption. If you have an interpretation the impression is that you have researched the matter and in the course of that research you would certainly have discovered whether EGW had a vision about the IJ. Something is wrong here.

 

[Bourbaki]

Why don't you publish your own interpretation anyway?

I believe I'm right in knowing how to vindicate Adventist doctrine but it might be helpful to Seventh-day Adventists if I could answer their objections as I write up my own interpretation. They have no valid arguments from Scripture so I only need to consider their interpretation of Ellen G. White.

 

[Bourbaki]

Pardon the interruption. If you have an interpretation the impression is that you have researched the matter and in the course of that research you would certainly have discovered whether EGW had a vision about the IJ. Something is wrong here.

My interpretation is beautiful, logically compelling and consistent with Scripture. And I don't recall reading anything from Ellen White that contradicts my view. I also see nothing wrong in asking Adventists in a forum if they are aware of any support for the Investigative Judgment from Ellen White's visions.

 

[StormyOne]

if there is no biblical support what would be the reason to look for support from egw regarding this ummm "questionable" belief?

 

[Bourbaki]

if there is no biblical support what would be the reason to look for support from egw regarding this ummm "questionable" belief?

It's not a question of trying to find Biblical support for an ancient Adventist misconception but of interpreting the meaning of Scripture correctly. I'm comfortable with the Scripture part and I don't expect to discover any visions by Ellen White that contradict my view. So what is the answer to my opening question? Is there any support for the Investigative Judgment from Ellen White's visions?

 

[sentipente]

My interpretation is beautiful, logically compelling and consistent with Scripture. And I don't recall reading anything from Ellen White that contradicts my view. I also see nothing wrong in asking Adventists in a forum if they are aware of any support for the Investigate Judgment from Ellen White's visions.

I did not accuse of having done something wrong. I only noted that if you have a "beautiful, logically compelling" interpretation you must have already discovered EGW's contribution or non-contribution to the SDA interpretation in the course of your research.

 

[StormyOne]

It's not a question of trying to find Biblical support for an ancient Adventist misconception but of interpreting the meaning of Scripture correctly. I'm comfortable with the Scripture part and I don't expect to discover any visions by Ellen White that contradicts my view. So what is the answer to my opening question? Is there any support for the Investigate Judgment from Ellen White's visions?

my answer would be simple... who cares? Its not a belief that can be supported biblically, so any support from egw would be moot in my opinion....

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

As EGW has a whole chapter on the Investigative Judgement 1888 edition named changed in later editions but the chapter is the same mainly. You can be pretty sure of what EGW thought on the subject. Of course if one only takes EGW as a prophet when in vision you could say she did not understand the vision and assume that she still recorded the vision accurately in which case I don't think she had a vision concerning the IJ. But then again maybe some of her early visions (as she stopped having visions) is really about the IJ but she misinterpreted it.

 

[sentipente]

RC, I think some important words are missing from your post that would make it easy to understand. Help us out a bit.

 

[Bourbaki]

I don't think she had a vision concerning the IJ.

That's what I thought but I'll keep checking this thread to see if there is anyone knowledgeable enough to recall a vision that I have forgotten or missed.

 

[woobadooba]

Even if there were support from EGW would that make it true?

Note: I do believe in the investigative aspect of God's judgment.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

RC, I think some important words are missing from your post that would make it easy to understand. Help us out a bit.

No, don't think I left any words out maybe a few commas and some run on sentences but can't see what words you think were left out.

I do think it is interesting that someone would think that EGW is a prophet only in regard to visions.

 

[tall73]

As anciently the sins of the people were by faith placed upon the sin offering and through its blood transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary, so in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ and transferred, in fact, to the heavenly sanctuary. And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished by the removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. But before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation--a work of judgment. This work must be performed prior to the coming of Christ to redeem His people; for when He comes, His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his works. Revelation 22:12. {GC 421.3}

Might want to check the rest of the chapter too.

 

[Bourbaki]

As anciently the sins of the people were by faith placed upon the sin offering and through its blood transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary, so in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ and transferred, in fact, to the heavenly sanctuary. And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished by the removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. But before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation--a work of judgment. This work must be performed prior to the coming of Christ to redeem His people; for when He comes, His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his works. Revelation 22:12. {GC 421.3}

Pastor, this quote is a mere interpretation of sanctuary typology, not a reference to a vision. Consequently, it fails to answer my question.

 

[tall73]

Pastor, this quote is a mere interpretation of sanctuary typology, not a reference to a vision. Consequently, it fails to answer my question.

So you appear to want her to outright say it is a vision?

Alrighty. Sounds like you want a loop-hole.

 

[Bourbaki]

So you appear to want her to outright say it is a vision?

Correct.

Alrighty. Sounds like you want a loop-hole.

I'm already aware of an excellent loophole in the Adventist belief that the Sanctuary Doctrine is infallible. The only possible argument against it would be a direct vision from Ellen White. My view of the Investigative Judgment is consistent with Scripture.

 

[woobadooba]

Correct.



I'm already aware of an excellent loophole in the Adventist belief that the Sanctuary Doctrine is infallible. The only possible argument against it would be a direct vision from Ellen White. My view of the Investigative Judgment is consistent with Scripture.

So what is the argument? Sum it up in a paragraph or two.

 

[StormyOne]

So what is the argument? Sum it up in a paragraph or two.

lol.... this is gonna be interesting....