Is there an objective standard by which to distinguish sound doctrine from false?

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Justification by faith alone is a scriptural doctrine (Romans 4:1-8, Romans 11:5-6, Titus 3:4-7, Ephesians 2:8-9).

What genuine, living, bona fide faith does is that it changes the heart (2 Corinthians 5:17, Titus 3:4-7, Ezekiel 36:25-27) so that the one who is born of God does what is right. The love of God is shed abroad in his heart through faith (Romans 5:5, 1 John 4:19, Luke 7:36-50), because he is forgiven much; and this love is practical (1 John 3:17-18) and is the fulfilling of the law within him (Romans 13:8-10, Romans 8:4).

The root is faith; the fruit is the practical love of God.

Therefore it is not the practical loving of others that saves me (in the doing of righteous works); but my faith alone in Christ produces a salvation which includes an impartation of the love of the Lord (which manifests itself in the doing of good works).
 
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Justification by faith alone is a scriptural doctrine (Romans 4:1-8, Romans 11:5-6, Titus 3:4-7, Ephesians 2:8-9).

Just by faith, You wrote that Justification by faith alone is a scriptural doctrine but it really isn't! The word "alone" is added and one additional word makes a false doctrine because it denies other Bible truths which tell us we are also justified by Christ, by His blood, by grace and by works!
 
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Sound doctrine is established in scripture and tested by scripture. But that was also true when Christ was being baptized. It did not "become true - later". It was already true.

Acts 17:11 they "studied the scriptures daily to see IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO" -- that is sola scriptura testing - BEFORE the NT is completed. Sola Scriptura testing did not 'become true' later. It was already true.
 
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The phrase "by faith alone" is actually in the Bible. It occurs exactly 1 time. See James 2:24 NASB. ESV, NIV, HCB
 
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Partially correct.

The Scriptures say we are justified by faith and not the law or works. If it’s by faith and nothing else what does that tell you?

If you went into a room named “Justification” wearing a T-shirt called “faith” and no one else was in the room what wound that be? Yes you would be alone with no others in the room. Now this makes sense in the English language but not the German language. By having alone in the text Luther was not wrong in doing so for the German language. He mentioned the language demanded it.

Plus he was not the first person in Christian history to come to this conclusion.

As seen here:


I have more if you would like.
 
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Rev 22 says that a certain group will be given the right to eat from the Tree of Life and allowed to enter into the gates of the city.
 
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Testing by scripture only involves asking 3 questions:
(1) Can this doctrine be stated in pure words of the Lord? (Ps.12:6)
(2) Can this doctrine be stated in pure words of the Lord apart from any additional words? (Prov.30:5,6)
(3) Can this doctrine be stated in words which the Holy Spirit teaches apart from any words which man's wisdom teaches? (I Cor 2:13)
 
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The Confession is merely stating to us that the scripture alone are to be our final source and standard as to what constitutes sound doctrines and practices, and their second point was that while the term such as trinity not found in the Bible, the doctrine can be derived from there!
 
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Bob, testing by scripture alone involves asking 3 questions:
(1) Can this doctrine be stated in the pure words of the Lord? (Ps.12:6)
(2) Can this doctrine be stated in pure words of the Lord apart from any additional words? (Prov.30:5,6)
(3) Can this doctrine be stated in words which the Holy Spirit teaches apart from any words which man's wisdom teaches? (I Cor.2:13)
These tests eliminate as false doctrines all doctrines like "purgatory", "Mary's perpetual virginity", "infant baptism", "justification by faith ALONE", "PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE", "penal substitution", a "seven year tribulation" etc etc.
 
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Just because justification is by faith and is NOT by works of the law does NOT make it by faith ALONE! Faith must have an object and scripture tells us we are justified by Christ. But Christ also had to shed his blood so scripture also teaches us that we are justified by His blood. Scripture also teaches us we are justified by his grace! But that is not all... James 2 teaches us that we are justified by works! That is why James 2 clearly shows that we are NOT justified by faith ALONE!
 
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The phrase "by faith alone" is actually in the Bible. It occurs exactly 1 time. See James 2:24 NASB. ESV, NIV, HCB
You are absolutely right about that phrase being in the Bible! But it is there to prove that the doctrine is false! Read the whole verse (James 2:24)!
 
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No human can do this for you, only the Holy Spirit and [the Word of] God

You can try to find doctrine, but you will be tossed around and ultimately lost.
 
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That is the whole problem! "Trinity" is NOT in the Bible! Nor is the false idea that there are "three persons" in the Godhead! Scripture does speak of the person of Christ, but never teaches that the Father or the Holy Spirit are "persons"! God is a SPIRIT.
If we allow that any doctrine not stated in words of scripture is actually a sound doctrine, we have no objective standard by which to distinguish between sound and false doctrines!
Just as the "Trinity" is deduced from scripture, so is "purgatory", "infant baptism", "pre-tribulation rapture" and hundred of other false doctrines! If you accept the first as a sound doctrine, you have no defence against all the rest that are arrived at in the very same manner!
 
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No human can do this for you, only the Holy Spirit and [the Word of] God

You can try to find doctrine, but you will be tossed around and ultimately lost.

Not so! Every sound doctrine is stated in the very words of scripture. And no false doctrine can be stated in words of scripture! (i.e. "purgatory", "infant baptism", "substitutionary atonement", "pre-tribulation rapture" etc etc!
 
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God works are the evidence that we have been saved by His grace, a by product of the new life in Christ, but NOT part of salvation itself!
 
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The scriptures declare all 3 of them as being God.... Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit...
 
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Not so! Every sound doctrine is stated in the very words of scripture. And no false doctrine can be stated in words of scripture! (i.e. "purgatory", "infant baptism", "substitutionary atonement", "pre-tribulation rapture" etc etc!

No human can do for you what the Word of God Himself (not a canonical text, or human preacher/priest/minister) can do for you - especially through the Comforter He gave us.

The very reason we have denomination (division) is because too many humans are telling other humans how to have a relationship with a spirit. The relationship is unique, and between each human - just like parents have unique, individual relationships with each child.
 
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The Most High God already promised us He would write His Laws and Statutes on our hearts so much so that we would not need anything else. He also told us He would circumcise our hearts so that there would be a sensitivity toward Him (i.e. hearing Him and seeing Him - even listening to Him) instead of an ignorance. This means one can grow up alone and still have a real, loving relationship with the Most High God. He has promised this.

No humans are necessary for a relationship between you and the Most High God.
 
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The phrase "by faith alone" is actually in the Bible. It occurs exactly 1 time. See James 2:24 NASB. ESV, NIV, HCB

You are absolutely right about that phrase being in the Bible! But it is there to prove that the doctrine is false! Read the whole verse (James 2:24)!

Indeed - that's the point for the case of future justification of the saints at the judgment seat of Christ. For as Christ said in Matthew 7 "by their fruits you shall know them".

Even the thief on the cross (converted at the 11th hour so to speak) had the "works" of the public confession of Christ.

Regarding that future justification of the saints on the future day of judgment
Rom 2:13 "it is not the hearers of the law that are just before God but the doers of the LAW WILL be justified"


However when it comes to past-tense justification.


We are "justified by faith apart from works of the law" Romans 3:28 -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
 
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