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Is mass physical?
Any answer to that question would be misleading. The word "physical" is to undefined to be useful in this discussion. Just go ahead and answer the question as to how you know spirits don't have mass. Information, for example, has a minimum (very very small) mass. Perhaps it follows then that if a spirit has no mass, it has no information.
But share your thoughts!
When one talks of mass matter inevitably comes up. Matter is defined as this
"the substance or substances of which any physical object consists or is composed: "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/matter?s=t
Therefore if something is not a physical object it is not matter, or mass.
....just thinkin'...
isn't logic finite, like man is?
Thank you kindly.
i meant to add "and limited, like man is?
thank you kindly.
(pardon me, i cannot see what i am typing till after i posted...i'm typing on "faith" LOL!
Even if we accept as axiomatic that "Matter is defined as this: the substance or substances of which any physical object consists or is composed" . . . I don't see the word "mass" in there so how are you drawing conclusions about mass from that definition?
Truth is, your reasoning is not driven by logic but by unspoken assumptions.
If you want to convince me or someone else that your reasoning makes sense, you have to manage to verbalize those unspoken assumptions. Its not an easy task. It is also one thing to verbalize an unspoken assumption, its another thing to get others to agree with them. An even harder task.
Lets think about mass. Energy is equal to mass times the speed of light squared.
So what does it mean to say that a photon - which carries energy - is massless?
But as for spirits - the correct thing to say about spirits and mass is we are simply to ignorant to discuss mass in relation to spirits.
I suspect Jesus is logical. He is infinite!
The weight of the chemicals involved, I suppose.If love is real how much does it weigh? Because surely every material thing has a mass and could, at least in theory, be weighed.
I think you means God's? You are right. But don't tell some men thati suspect that man's logic is not quite the same as man's.
Mass is defined like this.
"
noun
1. a body of coherent matter, usually of indefinite shape and often of considerable size: "
Now do you see the word matter in there?
Once I speak them I guess they are spoken onesHowever, that which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit, Jesus told us. One cannot assume that the spiritual therefore involves the physical.
Using Scripture, which is the spoken word of God is not dealing in the unspoken. Where did you dig up these little terms some philosophy class?
Whatever the masses do, or what attracts matter, that doesn't really matter to the spirit.Ah, but that is an alternate meaning of the word "mass". You could say, using that meaning, that you have a mass of syrup all over your pancakes; but its not the same as when you say the attractive force between two objects varies as the product of their masses and inversely as the square of their distance.
It is precisely the unwarranted assumptions I argue against. Such as your assumption that a spirit cannot have mass.
I say let's leave that undetermined.
There is no scripture that says spirits have no mass.
Quoting a bible verse and then saying it means more than what it says is precisely dealing in the unspoken. You should stop doing that.
Love is an emergent property, and the brain alone is insufficient. It belongs to social neuroscience, and "horemonal bonding of two people" doesnt have a centre of gravity. Maybe?
Also, love horemones are part of love, but not the whole story. So weighing them alone is insufficient.
The questions a bit like asking an impossible question "how much does raisin cake weith, considering just the raisins, but a lot of cakes in a loving relationship...?" Not relaly a logically strict investigation.
Whatever the masses do, or what attracts matter, that doesn't really matter to the spirit.
How much plainer can flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit be? God is a spirit. Does that mean He has to be bound to your little attractive forces in the physical thingie?
You don't know that, you assume that.
We just don't know enough about what a spirit is to say that no spirit is ever affected by gravity.
We shall be like Him!God, of course, as the ground of all being, transcends gravity . . . but also all other spirits.
I think you means God's? You are right. But don't tell some men that
Not really. If we go to be with Jesus, as we do, then whatever mass our flesh had or has in the grave will not matter.
Gravity is a force of attraction between physical object.
We shall be like Him!
Love doesn't have an actual existence; it only exists in the context of intelligent beings who do have an actual existence.Why is logic true?
If love is real how much does it weigh? Because surely every material thing has a mass and could, at least in theory, be weighed.
Love doesn't have an actual existence; it only exists in the context of intelligent beings who do have an actual existence.
K
Is that what you got from what I said? I said love only exist in the context of material beings. If you disagree, give an example of love existing by itself.You're a brave man, saying that love isn't real.
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