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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 76370856" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>If you read the studies they state that moral behaviour was innate. That means its a natural part of being human. Some even say through evolution. So if thats the case then its something all humans inherit.</p><p></p><p>Either way they state that this moral knowledge is something humans have just like how hunger is innate in humans. It states that this baby moral knowledge is the foundation for morality and lines up with adult morality. So it is something we all have and need unless the person hasnt got the capacity to know right from wrong.</p><p></p><p>So the 25% difference you are talking about is not relating to some babies just not having this innate knowledge. Otherwise we would have to say that 25% of babies don't have the capacity to know right from wrong. That would be a silly consclusion as we know this is not the case. We all have a conscience. Only those without a conscience and have some mental disorder like a sociopath cannot know right from wrong.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>Infant’s expectations reflect an early-emerging concern for fairness. This possibility is consistent with recent speculation that a few socio moral norms-evolved to facilitate positive interactions and cooperation within social groups – are innate and universal though elaborated in various ways by cultures.</em></span></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221760147_Do_Infants_Have_a_Sense_of_Fairness" target="_blank">(PDF) Do Infants Have a Sense of Fairness?</a></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em><strong>People everywhere have some sense of right and wrong.</strong> You won’t find a society where people don’t have some notion of fairness, don’t put some value on loyalty and kindness, don’t distinguish between acts of cruelty and innocent mistakes, don’t categorize people as nasty or nice.</em></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>All of this research, taken together, supports a general picture of baby morality.</em></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>Babies probably have no conscious access to moral notions, no idea why certain acts are good or bad. They respond on a gut level.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>Morality, then, is a synthesis of the biological and the cultural, of the unlearned, the discovered and the invented. Babies possess certain moral foundations — the capacity and willingness to judge the actions of others, some sense of justice, gut responses to altruism and nastiness. Regardless of how smart we are, if we didn’t start with this basic apparatus, we would be nothing more than amoral agents, ruthlessly driven to pursue our self-interest. </em></span></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(0, 179, 179)"><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/magazine/09babies-t.html" target="_blank">The Moral Life of Babies (Published 2010)</a></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: rgb(0, 179, 179)"></span></em></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The point made that babies know about morals on a gut level is interesting as this may relate to our intuition. We start out with this basic intuition already there. Then we can develop that and our intuition becomes more refined. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Another interesting thing about this support is that it comes from other fields beside ethics like psychology and biology. So its findings seem to converge with other areas giving it more support.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 76370856, member: 342064"] If you read the studies they state that moral behaviour was innate. That means its a natural part of being human. Some even say through evolution. So if thats the case then its something all humans inherit. Either way they state that this moral knowledge is something humans have just like how hunger is innate in humans. It states that this baby moral knowledge is the foundation for morality and lines up with adult morality. So it is something we all have and need unless the person hasnt got the capacity to know right from wrong. So the 25% difference you are talking about is not relating to some babies just not having this innate knowledge. Otherwise we would have to say that 25% of babies don't have the capacity to know right from wrong. That would be a silly consclusion as we know this is not the case. We all have a conscience. Only those without a conscience and have some mental disorder like a sociopath cannot know right from wrong. [COLOR=#00b3b3][I]Infant’s expectations reflect an early-emerging concern for fairness. This possibility is consistent with recent speculation that a few socio moral norms-evolved to facilitate positive interactions and cooperation within social groups – are innate and universal though elaborated in various ways by cultures.[/I][/COLOR] [URL='https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221760147_Do_Infants_Have_a_Sense_of_Fairness'](PDF) Do Infants Have a Sense of Fairness?[/URL] [COLOR=#00b3b3][I][B]People everywhere have some sense of right and wrong.[/B] You won’t find a society where people don’t have some notion of fairness, don’t put some value on loyalty and kindness, don’t distinguish between acts of cruelty and innocent mistakes, don’t categorize people as nasty or nice.[/I][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#00b3b3][I]All of this research, taken together, supports a general picture of baby morality.[/I][/COLOR] [/B] [COLOR=#00b3b3][I]Babies probably have no conscious access to moral notions, no idea why certain acts are good or bad. They respond on a gut level.[/I] [I]Morality, then, is a synthesis of the biological and the cultural, of the unlearned, the discovered and the invented. Babies possess certain moral foundations — the capacity and willingness to judge the actions of others, some sense of justice, gut responses to altruism and nastiness. Regardless of how smart we are, if we didn’t start with this basic apparatus, we would be nothing more than amoral agents, ruthlessly driven to pursue our self-interest. [/I][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=rgb(0, 179, 179)][URL='https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/magazine/09babies-t.html']The Moral Life of Babies (Published 2010)[/URL] [/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#000000]The point made that babies know about morals on a gut level is interesting as this may relate to our intuition. We start out with this basic intuition already there. Then we can develop that and our intuition becomes more refined. Another interesting thing about this support is that it comes from other fields beside ethics like psychology and biology. So its findings seem to converge with other areas giving it more support.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#00b3b3] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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