MariaRegina
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Are the 10 commandments no longer in force?
What ever happened to the commandment which states:
What ever happened to the commandment which states:
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Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.
I intended "oversleeping" to indicate 'sloth'. That's definitely a sin.drewmeister2 said:It isn't a mortal sin if you miss Mass in the RCC because you overslept. However, this is virtually impossible to do, as in the RCC, there are usually multiple Mass times, including one in the evening at many parishes.
Matrona said:Per the canons, if you bring a dog into an Orthodox church building, it has to be reconsecrated.
I don't put much stock by individual (non-dogmatic) canons.
Matrona said:I intended "oversleeping" to indicate 'sloth'. That's definitely a sin.
Matrona said:I intended "oversleeping" to indicate 'sloth'. That's definitely a sin.
Have I been irreverent during Church Services, let my attention wander, or been insincere?
Have I neglected to receive Holy Communion regularly or without due preparation?
"Have I stayed away from Church on Sundays or prevented others from going?
Have I done unnecessary work on Sundays?
Have I spent the day in unwholesome fashion or profaned it by improper conduct?
If I could not go to Church because of ilness or other grave cause, have I prayed at home?
Have I caused anyone else to profane the Lord's Day?
Have I kept the Fasts and Festivals prescribed by the Church?
Matrona said:Per the canons, if you bring a dog into an Orthodox church building, it has to be reconsecrated.
I don't put much stock by individual (non-dogmatic) canons.
One can bring cats into Orthodox churches as much as one likes, though. That's the point--it's an arbitrary, dead canon.VickiY said:And a beautiful thing that is, too...or we'd have pets all over like some of the ECUSA churches do...
Aria said:When we say "Sunday Obligation" within Orthodoxy it is an entirely different connotation than the Roman Catholic Church holds.
Matrona said:That was exactly my point in insisting that Orthodox do not have a "Sunday obligation," to avoid confusion with the Roman Catholic "Sunday obligation".
It seems that this somehow confused you into thinking that I was arguing that attendance at the services was unnecessary. This is a completely erroneous interpretation of my position, as I have repeatedly tried to point out. I fear it might even be an indicator of the practice of eisegesis. Fortunately, it appears most TAW members have properly understood my meaning.
Aria said:Matrona,
This is precisely why this thread was opened. In the past, you never mentioned this and we wanted you to clarify your position.
Furthermore, please don't pass the buck. I didn't misunderstand you at all. Others have tried to get you to clarify your position, but this is the FIRST TIME you have done so.
The Orthodox do have the obligation to worship. And Orthodox Priests do say "sunday obligation" -- I have heard it many times. It was you who mentioned "mortal sin". I never did.
My priest did say that it was a serious sin to miss Divine Liturgy on Sunday without a cause worthy of a blessing. He expects the parishioners to confess such sins, and so do Catholic Priests. So, what is different? Semantics, that's all.
This is the first time that you have clarified your thinking .. now that I have posted the examination of conscience from the Antiochian Prayer book.
Thank you.
Matrona said:Hey, you know what's really funny? I didn't read your little "examination of conscience". Why? Because I own a copy of that little prayer book, which I use every day, and in the front it says something even funnier:
"Copyright 1956"
Also, it seems the phrase "sunday obligation" does not occur anywhere within the pages of that book, nor does the definition of what Roman Catholics call their "Sunday obligation". How strange.
ANTIOCHIAN PRAYERBOOK said:P. 40
Have I stayed away from Church on Sunday or prevented others from going?
Aria said:Matrona has finally admitted that she agrees with the Antiochian Prayer Book in language which is more explicit.
Matrona said:This is a misrepresentation of my postings. Never did I suggest or imply that I disagreed or was not aware of the writings of the Antiochian prayer book, and all of my posts support the assertion that I have agreed with and been aware of the writings in the Antiochian prayer book for the entire duration of this thread. An assertion that, if made, would be wholly accurate.
It would be most wonderful if you would kindly go back and review my postings, and revise yours accordingly, to reflect what I have been saying rather than what has been incorrectly believed and asserted by you regarding the things I said.
Andreas said:No Sunday obligation? Tell that to my Priest.
Aria said:EDIT: I reviewed this entire thread and as of now, 11:39 pst, there was no mention by Matrona previously (until her most recent post) that stated that the Orthodox Christians should attend the Sunday Divine Liturgy every week unless they had a cause worthy of a blessing. Maybe she thought that she had implied this, but previously there was no such statement made.
Ii seems that I have been falsely accused of misinterpreting her posts.
Maureen in post 5 said:"I don't think that Matrona is disputing the importance of attending Church regularly, but rather your choice of vocabulary."
me in post 6 said:"Thank you for understanding what I was saying, Maureen."
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