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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?
 

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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?

Have you prayed to Him? :) His word is also available to all who would humbly seek to know and understand and pray for guidance. In it He does show His love for us, as He died for us so that we may be saved. This world and everything in it will one day pass away, as terrible as it is. But God will remain, and His word will remain. He always loves us.
 
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Have you prayed to Him? :) His word is also available to all who would humbly seek to know and understand and pray for guidance. In it He does show His love for us, as He died for us so that we may be saved. This world and everything in it will one day pass away, as terrible as it is. But God will remain, and His word will remain. He always loves us.
I have prayed but I don't feel like he is there. I want him to be there but I have no evidence that there is a God.
 
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I have prayed but I don't feel like he is there. I want him to be there but I have no evidence that there is a God.

Do you know any Christians that you could perhaps meet with and have an honest discussion with? Someone you trust?
 
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Do you know any Christians that you could perhaps meet with and have an honest discussion with? Someone you trust?
I have some family but they can act very self righteous. I would not feel comfortable talking to them about this
 
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I have some family but they can act very self righteous. I would not feel comfortable talking to them about this

That's understandable. Do you have any friends perhaps that you could talk with? Maybe even friends who are asking the same questions you are?
 
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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?

I will try to address you logically, but there is a base we need to establish:

The problem is there is no quick answer.

I will address this “generally” and then you can ask specific questions.

Generally:

Without getting to philosophical: “Something has had to always existed since it is illogical to think something comes from nothing. Now some atheists have try to get around this by saying nothing is really “something” and there is no such thing as really “nothing”. The bottom line is there has always been something. Now did that something at least include intelligence or was it just mass/energy/time/space? The problem with “excluding” intelligence is there appears to be a huge amount of intelligence that went into the design of this universe and life that makes it virtually impossible to happen by random “luck”. If there is one thing we have learned it is: “the more we know the more we realize we do not know”, so that means an ever increasing complex universe and the more complex it is the more random chances you need to make the right conditions without intelligence and the more likely scenario is there was intelligence involved.







If there is this eternal intelligence it would be at the epitome of the best it could be and not in the process of improvement. It would be the ultimate bad or good but not somewhere in-between. Why be bad when He can be good just as easily? The ultimate “good” would be what is called Godly type Love (to be defined later) and is totally unselfish type Love. Since this God would be able to direct our thinking, why would He have us think of him as being totally bad, when He could make us think bad was good and thus He would be worthy of praise? If God were bad and we praise a “Good God” than we are not praising Him.



Why would God have a totally unselfish type of Love, since He personally would not get anything out of it? If God’s “Love” is some kind of knee jerk reaction then it is really meaningless (something like; gravity which is nice to have, but everyone automatically has it). God Loves us in spite of what we have done, who we are or what we will do, so it has to be by His choice.

This Love would compel God to make beings some of which would obtain this Love and thus become like He is.



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If there is this Creator of the universe out there, His “creations” could not really “do” anything for Him, so this Creator would have to be seen as a Giver (Unselfish Lover) and not trying to “get” something from His creation.



So God would create the right universe for the sake of the individuals that will accept His gift (the most powerful force in all universes that compels even God to do all He does) and become like He is (the greatest gift He could give).



What keeps the all powerful Creator from just giving whatever He wants to his creation?



There are just something even an all-powerful Creator cannot do (there are things impossible to do), the big inability for us is create humans with instinctive Godly type Love, since Godly type Love is not instinctive. Godly type love has to be the result of a free will decision by the being, to make it the person’s Love apart from God. In other words: If the Love was in a human from the human’s creation it would be a robotic type love and not a Godly type Love. Also if God “forces” this Love on a person (Kind a like a shotgun wedding) it would not be “loving” on God’s part and the love forced on the person would not be Godly type love. This Love has to be the result of a free will moral choice with real alternatives (for humans those alternatives include the perceived pleasures of sin for a season.)



This Love is way beyond anything humans could develop, obtain, learn, earn, pay back or even deserve, so it must be the result of a gift that is accepted or rejected (a free will choice).



An unselfish God would be doing all He can to help willing individuals to make that free will decision to accept His Love. Again, since God will not be forcing these individuals, they have to be willing (it is their choice) and God cannot “make” them willing since that is robotic action. God can only at best make them free will agent (like God is) and capable of make the right decision without the selection being worthy of anything (it is a gift of pure charity).



This “Love” is much more than just an emotional feeling; it is God Himself (God is Love). If you see this Love you see God.



Let me just give you an example of How God works to help willing individuals.



All mature adults do stuff that hurts others (this is called sin) these transgressions weigh on them burden them to the point the individual seeks relief (at least early on before they allow their hearts to be hardened). Lots of “alternatives” can be tried for relief, but the only true relief comes from God with forgiveness (this forgiveness is pure charity [grace/mercy/Love]). The correct humble acceptance of this Forgiveness (Charity) automatically will result in Love (we are taught by Jesus and our own experience “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”). Sin is thus made hugely significant, so there will be an unbelievable huge debt to be forgiven of and thus result in an unbelievable huge “Love” (Godly type Love).

If the nonbeliever had knowledge of God's existence that person would not need faith in God's existence, but faith is needed for humility and humility is needed to humbly accept pure charity and the only way to get Godly type Love is through accepting it as pure charity in the form of forgiveness.
 
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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?
I sought truth, when i was drowning in lies.
It turned out there are so many arrows that point to God, i don't know where to start...

Well, maybe you should start here:

 
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I think a lot of people believe in God, or see God, without knowing.

When you see something beautiful in nature for example, your soul cries out God without your mind knowing what it's seeing at times. When you love your family and friends, the love you feel at times can grasp certain moments that know there will be a good ending to all of this.

And if you know there will be a good ending, knowing that love will win, you'll soon realize that God is the only way to "make it" win if you will, he's the only one who can bring us to the next world.
 
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I will try to address you logically, but there is a base we need to establish:

The problem is there is no quick answer.

I will address this “generally” and then you can ask specific questions.

Generally:

Without getting to philosophical: “Something has had to always existed since it is illogical to think something comes from nothing. Now some atheists have try to get around this by saying nothing is really “something” and there is no such thing as really “nothing”. The bottom line is there has always been something. Now did that something at least include intelligence or was it just mass/energy/time/space? The problem with “excluding” intelligence is there appears to be a huge amount of intelligence that went into the design of this universe and life that makes it virtually impossible to happen by random “luck”. If there is one thing we have learned it is: “the more we know the more we realize we do not know”, so that means an ever increasing complex universe and the more complex it is the more random chances you need to make the right conditions without intelligence and the more likely scenario is there was intelligence involved.







If there is this eternal intelligence it would be at the epitome of the best it could be and not in the process of improvement. It would be the ultimate bad or good but not somewhere in-between. Why be bad when He can be good just as easily? The ultimate “good” would be what is called Godly type Love (to be defined later) and is totally unselfish type Love. Since this God would be able to direct our thinking, why would He have us think of him as being totally bad, when He could make us think bad was good and thus He would be worthy of praise? If God were bad and we praise a “Good God” than we are not praising Him.



Why would God have a totally unselfish type of Love, since He personally would not get anything out of it? If God’s “Love” is some kind of knee jerk reaction then it is really meaningless (something like; gravity which is nice to have, but everyone automatically has it). God Loves us in spite of what we have done, who we are or what we will do, so it has to be by His choice.

This Love would compel God to make beings some of which would obtain this Love and thus become like He is.



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If there is this Creator of the universe out there, His “creations” could not really “do” anything for Him, so this Creator would have to be seen as a Giver (Unselfish Lover) and not trying to “get” something from His creation.



So God would create the right universe for the sake of the individuals that will accept His gift (the most powerful force in all universes that compels even God to do all He does) and become like He is (the greatest gift He could give).



What keeps the all powerful Creator from just giving whatever He wants to his creation?



There are just something even an all-powerful Creator cannot do (there are things impossible to do), the big inability for us is create humans with instinctive Godly type Love, since Godly type Love is not instinctive. Godly type love has to be the result of a free will decision by the being, to make it the person’s Love apart from God. In other words: If the Love was in a human from the human’s creation it would be a robotic type love and not a Godly type Love. Also if God “forces” this Love on a person (Kind a like a shotgun wedding) it would not be “loving” on God’s part and the love forced on the person would not be Godly type love. This Love has to be the result of a free will moral choice with real alternatives (for humans those alternatives include the perceived pleasures of sin for a season.)



This Love is way beyond anything humans could develop, obtain, learn, earn, pay back or even deserve, so it must be the result of a gift that is accepted or rejected (a free will choice).



An unselfish God would be doing all He can to help willing individuals to make that free will decision to accept His Love. Again, since God will not be forcing these individuals, they have to be willing (it is their choice) and God cannot “make” them willing since that is robotic action. God can only at best make them free will agent (like God is) and capable of make the right decision without the selection being worthy of anything (it is a gift of pure charity).



This “Love” is much more than just an emotional feeling; it is God Himself (God is Love). If you see this Love you see God.



Let me just give you an example of How God works to help willing individuals.



All mature adults do stuff that hurts others (this is called sin) these transgressions weigh on them burden them to the point the individual seeks relief (at least early on before they allow their hearts to be hardened). Lots of “alternatives” can be tried for relief, but the only true relief comes from God with forgiveness (this forgiveness is pure charity [grace/mercy/Love]). The correct humble acceptance of this Forgiveness (Charity) automatically will result in Love (we are taught by Jesus and our own experience “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”). Sin is thus made hugely significant, so there will be an unbelievable huge debt to be forgiven of and thus result in an unbelievable huge “Love” (Godly type Love).

If the nonbeliever had knowledge of God's existence that person would not need faith in God's existence, but faith is needed for humility and humility is needed to humbly accept pure charity and the only way to get Godly type Love is through accepting it as pure charity in the form of forgiveness.

Your logic makes a lot of sense, but I'm still confused as to why God could not show humans proof of his existence. Wouldn't that make more people believe in and worship him?
 
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I think a lot of people believe in God, or see God, without knowing.

When you see something beautiful in nature for example, your soul cries out God without your mind knowing what it's seeing at times. When you love your family and friends, the love you feel at times can grasp certain moments that know there will be a good ending to all of this.

And if you know there will be a good ending, knowing that love will win, you'll soon realize that God is the only way to "make it" win if you will, he's the only one who can bring us to the next world.

I do feel a deep sense of love and amazement when I look at my daughter. I also see really terrible things in the world and I wonder how a loving God could let such horrible things take place.
 
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I do feel a deep sense of love and amazement when I look at my daughter. I also see really terrible things in the world and I wonder how a loving God could let such horrible things take place.
I don't have an answer for that, I truly don't, someone dear in my heart asked me the same type of question yearrrsss ago and I still wouldn't be able to answer her, not completely, not properly the way the question should be answered - in the deepest sense of love imaginable.

I do believe there is an answer though. Because I believe good conquers evil in the end.
 
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Your logic makes a lot of sense, but I'm still confused as to why God could not show humans proof of his existence. Wouldn't that make more people believe in and worship him?

Sorry I did not get back to you sooner.

Remember: God is doing all He can to help you to accept His charity, but giving you “knowledge” of His existence will not make you humble to the point of accepting pure charity.

There is a huge problem with “knowledge” since it tends to “puff up” those that have it. Also “knowledge” is something the individual can obtain and thus become more self-reliant, when the need of the individual is to be humble and accepting of God’s help (charity).

Some people in the OT had direct “knowledge” of God’s existence (like those that walked through the Red Sea), but that did not help them to be humble.

God has given all mature adults the ability to express faith in somethings or some people.

If salvation was dependent on some other factor than “faith” such as knowledge, ancestry, physical strength, good looks, courage, or some kind of achievement, God would not be fair/just.

Directing the little faith (we all have) toward a benevolent Creator is something the lowliest mature adult on earth can do, so extending faith toward God existence is a humbling experience (and very easy to do). That little humility is all you need to be willing to humbly accept pure charity (something man find hard to do).

God is doing all He can to help you to accept His pure charity as charity (these gifts of charity are unbelievably huge). Since, Faith in God helps us in our acceptance of charity, God allows us to extend faith toward Him, but having faith in the existence of a benevolent Creator is made as easy as possible yet it is still not knowledge.

If you do not “need” to believe (trust) in a benevolent Creator than you can avoid putting your faith in a benevolent Creator. You can believe (trust) that the universe and life was a random result, since it would make no difference unless you had a real “need” to believe in a benevolent God.

Atheist may say “I do not believe anything”, but practically they act like; they “believe” the Christian God does not exist and for most of my discussions with them, do not want or like the Christian God, so they have reason not to believe.

You will find you are on a “need to know bases” and if it would “upset” you to know, so God will not upset you, since all He wants to do is help you.
 
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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?

Look at the creation. Consider how complex the human body is.

That is proof of an intelligent designer.
 
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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?

How can you be saved if God show us with the proof you specified?

The New Covenant specifies that humans are saved by faith and faith alone by believing in Jesus Christ.
 
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I do feel a deep sense of love and amazement when I look at my daughter. I also see really terrible things in the world and I wonder how a loving God could let such horrible things take place.
This has to do with what people really want. Most everyone would want pain relief if the pain were bad enough. God knows what people genuinely want (so we examine if we genuinely want God to be our God for our own understanding). What people think and say do not speak as loudly as their actions. What do people really want to do with God when they are not in pain? It turns out that in general our actions declare loudly that we don't want the God who is; we want a God who does what we want, such as giving us good things and fixing up any problems we have. In other words, we want to tell God what to do and not do, and do not actually want the real God to be our God, who has his own (more awesome, albeit long-term) plans for us.

If that wasn't a bad enough situation for us, God also told us everything we need to do so all the painful and negative things in our lives would become less and less, and instead they would be replaced by more and more good and pleasant things—but we don't want to do what he already said we need to do! This is more of a conscious rejection of God, a far worse thing than wanting God's help only when we are in pain.

All the pain and suffering on earth is as a result of people rejecting God and his commands. In other words, it is not his fault, but he still WANTS to help us. But people just don't want God's wise, loving (long-term) help, because it requires yielding to the real Him.

In light of all this, it is good news that God is willing to forgive and accept each of us under conditions that we actually are capable of. It cost him a lot for this to be possible. He really does love each of us a lot.
 
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I do feel a deep sense of love and amazement when I look at my daughter. I also see really terrible things in the world and I wonder how a loving God could let such horrible things take place.

Hello Lucy,

I think that a lot of people can relate with this feeling; if God is good, then why do bad things happen. It's a perfectly reasonable question to think about and, fortunately, it has a reasonable answer as well.

Naturally, we all would prefer that bad things never happened in the world and that we could enjoy life without the thorns of disappointment, pains of tragedy, and suffering that is associated with loss. To live in an oasis of joy and peace would be a welcome comfort indeed!

Unfortunately, this was exactly what God also had in mind for His people and humanity has since taken that gift and done horrid things to it. You might remember from your earlier church years that when God first created the world He did so with the intent that humankind would be able to enjoy creation while also enjoying perfect unity with God. In order for this unity to be a true relationship, however, there had to be an element of free-will; otherwise God's creation would simply be robotic followers without any choice in the matter.

In response to this, God instilled in humanity the ability to make the choice to consciously obey God, thereby enjoying the benefits of His creation as He intended, or to wilfully rebel. Unfortunately, we chose to rebel and as a result "sin" entered the world. I'm not sure what your level of biblical background is so I hope you'll forgive me if I add information you may already know.

Sin refers to the act of wilful disobedience against the decrees of God, and as the Bible points out in Romans 6:23 the penalty for sin is death. For us to understand this properly we need to clarify that this is referring, not to a physical death, but rather a spiritual death (separation) from our relationship with God, that cannot be overcome by any deeds we enact on our own - which is why Jesus ends up being so important.

Once sin became a part of the world, God's perfect creation became marred by the effects of this impurity. God explains to Adam that his labor will become hard and that the ground would grown thorns. Likewise, Eve was told that her experience in childbirth would become painful and difficult. Basically, because of the effects of sin God's creation had become, in a word, unbalanced.

In our world today we still struggle with the effects of these actions so long ago. God's creation is still in a state of waiting to be re-balanced; which is one of the things that Christians wait for with anticipation. In the meantime we still suffer from sinful behaviour (our own and that of others), natural phenomenon, and other dreadful things.

It would be easy to push the blame off on God and ask "Why doesn't He just stop all this?", but the truth is that God not only gave us a wonderful gift in the first place (which humanity disregarded), but more importantly that He has made a way for His creation to be made whole again, starting with His most important consideration, namely, humankind.

Jesus becomes such an important figure in the biblical narrative because this is exactly the role that He serves for humankind. It wasn't just the Earth that feels the affects of sin, but also each and every person. Romans 3:23 tells us that "everyone has sinned" and Isaiah 53:6 explains that "like sheep" we have all turned away from God and gone our own way, so in a sense we're all out-of-balance. Naturally, God is not well-pleased with this and so allowed His Son, Jesus, to serve as a means for humankind to be redeemed and put back in balance; even though the world could still do with some sorting out.

By accepting the fact that Jesus paid the penalty for humanity's sin debt, and seeking the forgiveness of God (not because of anything we have done, but solely based on the charity of Christ) we have the God-given opportunity to be made whole and as God intended us to be.

Naturally, this doesn't mean that we no longer suffer, but it does mean that through the gift of Christ, we are able to be fully alive again (physical and spiritual) and thus have our proper relationship with God restored as He intended. The Bible does explain that there will come a day when the world also will be put to rights and so that's something that we have to look forward to. In the mean time God works in the lives of His people to call them to repentance (seeking a restored relationship with God through Christ) and giving every opportunity for them to be made whole again.

I hope that this is helpful, and also gives you some things to think about. If you're interested in speaking more I'd be happy to continue to conversation. Cheers.

-Carrington

P.S. - I have a daughter named Lucy and I can completely relate with that feeling of deep love and amazement when I see her! It makes me consider, if I love my children this much, how much more does God care for His own people!
 
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Hello Lucy,

I think that a lot of people can relate with this feeling; if God is good, then why do bad things happen. It's a perfectly reasonable question to think about and, fortunately, it has a reasonable answer as well.

Naturally, we all would prefer that bad things never happened in the world and that we could enjoy life without the thorns of disappointment, pains of tragedy, and suffering that is associated with loss. To live in an oasis of joy and peace would be a welcome comfort indeed!

Unfortunately, this was exactly what God also had in mind for His people and humanity has since taken that gift and done horrid things to it. You might remember from your earlier church years that when God first created the world He did so with the intent that humankind would be able to enjoy creation while also enjoying perfect unity with God. In order for this unity to be a true relationship, however, there had to be an element of free-will; otherwise God's creation would simply be robotic followers without any choice in the matter.

In response to this, God instilled in humanity the ability to make the choice to consciously obey God, thereby enjoying the benefits of His creation as He intended, or to wilfully rebel. Unfortunately, we chose to rebel and as a result "sin" entered the world. I'm not sure what your level of biblical background is so I hope you'll forgive me if I add information you may already know.

Sin refers to the act of wilful disobedience against the decrees of God, and as the Bible points out in Romans 6:23 the penalty for sin is death. For us to understand this properly we need to clarify that this is referring, not to a physical death, but rather a spiritual death (separation) from our relationship with God, that cannot be overcome by any deeds we enact on our own - which is why Jesus ends up being so important.

Once sin became a part of the world, God's perfect creation became marred by the effects of this impurity. God explains to Adam that his labor will become hard and that the ground would grown thorns. Likewise, Eve was told that her experience in childbirth would become painful and difficult. Basically, because of the effects of sin God's creation had become, in a word, unbalanced.

In our world today we still struggle with the effects of these actions so long ago. God's creation is still in a state of waiting to be re-balanced; which is one of the things that Christians wait for with anticipation. In the meantime we still suffer from sinful behaviour (our own and that of others), natural phenomenon, and other dreadful things.

It would be easy to push the blame off on God and ask "Why doesn't He just stop all this?", but the truth is that God not only gave us a wonderful gift in the first place (which humanity disregarded), but more importantly that He has made a way for His creation to be made whole again, starting with His most important consideration, namely, humankind.

Jesus becomes such an important figure in the biblical narrative because this is exactly the role that He serves for humankind. It wasn't just the Earth that feels the affects of sin, but also each and every person. Romans 3:23 tells us that "everyone has sinned" and Isaiah 53:6 explains that "like sheep" we have all turned away from God and gone our own way, so in a sense we're all out-of-balance. Naturally, God is not well-pleased with this and so allowed His Son, Jesus, to serve as a means for humankind to be redeemed and put back in balance; even though the world could still do with some sorting out.

By accepting the fact that Jesus paid the penalty for humanity's sin debt, and seeking the forgiveness of God (not because of anything we have done, but solely based on the charity of Christ) we have the God-given opportunity to be made whole and as God intended us to be.

Naturally, this doesn't mean that we no longer suffer, but it does mean that through the gift of Christ, we are able to be fully alive again (physical and spiritual) and thus have our proper relationship with God restored as He intended. The Bible does explain that there will come a day when the world also will be put to rights and so that's something that we have to look forward to. In the mean time God works in the lives of His people to call them to repentance (seeking a restored relationship with God through Christ) and giving every opportunity for them to be made whole again.

I hope that this is helpful, and also gives you some things to think about. If you're interested in speaking more I'd be happy to continue to conversation. Cheers.

-Carrington

P.S. - I have a daughter named Lucy and I can completely relate with that feeling of deep love and amazement when I see her! It makes me consider, if I love my children this much, how much more does God care for His own people!

When God calls people to repent, does that mean confessing your sins to God? I was raised Catholic and I used to go to confession. Now, I'm really not sure if that is the way God intended people to repent.

P.S. My daughter's name is also Lucy. The great love I have for her is indescribable, I couldn't imagine there being a greater love.
 
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Is there a God? I want to believe in God. I used to believe when I was a child. But now I am not so sure. What proof is there that God is looking over us? Why do you believe? How could a loving God not show us humans proof that he is here when life is so hard and the world is so terrible?

Lucy,

I am posting links to 2 articles that might help you.


  1. “From Atheism to Christianity: a Personal Story.”[18 June 2016]

    http://www.bethinking.org/is-christianity-true/from-atheism-to-christianity-a-personal-journey

    Does the Bible contain allegory? Got Questions Ministry, n.d. Web [18 June 2016]

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-allegory.html

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