Is there a God?

[heusdens]

Originally posted by seesaw
Well fine **** a god could create the universe through the big bang but guess what there is no real evidence of a god so until I see god I will not believe that he created the universe. So until there is a god that we can see or until I can see him I will not believe in a god or that he created the big bang.

The Big Bang is about a theory that explains a possible begin of the universe where all matter was accumulated in one spot, that started to occupy space (causing both space and time to begin) in enormous fast rates (growth rate of 10 to the power 50) in 10 to the power minus 37 seconds. It is equivilent with having a ball put on top of a hill that is rounded off at the top, being in unstable equilibrium. Once it starts rolling off the hill, it keeps rolling. When nothing is doing anything however, under perfect conditions, in theory the ball would stay on top of the hill forever.
Matter is however always moving, so inevitably this caused it to start "rolling off the hill" (nothing could stop it at that time cause even gravity had not been formed) and tunneling into existence.

But BBT is a theory, in that it supposes things to have happened, that might after all not have been happened that way. I myself would not think of the universe as having a preset and definitive beginning. Although nothing other then the forces within matter itself can be hold responsible for the BB to have occured, people do think of it mostly as being the divine work of some creator or something, that caused the matter to be there and to start moving. Although there wasn't a time before the BB in which something could have happened. A cause for any such thing is incomprehensible, cause causality started at t=0.

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by heusdens
The Big Bang is about a theory that explains a possible begin of the universe where all matter was accumulated in one spot, that started to occupy space (causing both space and time to begin) in enormous fast rates (growth rate of 10 to the power 50) in 10 to the power minus 37 seconds. It is equivilent with having a ball put on top of a hill that is rounded off at the top, being in unstable equilibrium. Once it starts rolling off the hill, it keeps rolling. When nothing is doing anything however, under perfect conditions, in theory the ball would stay on top of the hill forever.
Matter is however always moving, so inevitably this caused it to start "rolling off the hill" (nothing could stop it at that time cause even gravity had not been formed) and tunneling into existence.

But BBT is a theory, in that it supposes things to have happened, that might after all not have been happened that way. I myself would not think of the universe as having a preset and definitive beginning. Although nothing other then the forces within matter itself can be hold responsible for the BB to have occured, people do think of it mostly as being the divine work of some creator or something, that caused the matter to be there and to start moving. Although there wasn't a time before the BB in which something could have happened. A cause for any such thing is incomprehensible, cause causality started at t=0.

Nice post. I know what you are talking about. I believe was talking about almost the same thing on post #37 http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=458112#post458112

 

[webboffin]

what was before this big bang? why something rather than nothing? If someone says God does not exist how do they know, I mean really without a doubt know? what is outside this universe? Why am I here? Why does life exist at all? what decided the what the laws of physics should be? why am I self aware? Someone said (not mentioning a name here ) who claims there is no God and yet contradicts by saying denying something does not mean it doesn't exist. Why is it only humans that question life? Why not intelligent reptiles going to the moon? Or a host of species that evolved into intelligent creatures? Are we just biological machinery that have no real cause to exist? Is death just it? What is a soul why do people care?
Answers on a post card please

 

[lithium.]

what was before this big bang?

Well like I said we don't really know yet, but we believe that there was a singularity if there is still evidence of this one day we might be able to find it.

If someone says God does not exist how do they know

Well I know in my heart ( just as you know in your that he exist ) that there is no god if there was a god would put evidence that we can see and that would proof to everyone that he is real.

what is outside this universe?

No idea but some people think it could be other universes with there own big bangs.

Why am I here?

You are here cause your mom and dad had you.

Why does life exist at all?

No idea. I don't worry about why life exist I think about how it got here.

what decided the what the laws of physics should be?

The universe.

why am I self aware?

You are self aware because humans have a brain that has evolved to a point that we are self aware.

Someone said (not mentioning a name here ) who claims there is no God and yet contradicts by saying denying something does not mean it doesn't exist.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

why is it only humans that question life?

If you are talking about on this planet I would say cause the other animals havn't evolved like we have. But I bet my life there is other life in the universe that has asked the same questions we have.

Why not intelligent reptiles going to the moon?

Well if the dinosaurs wasn't wiped out by a comet or meteor they might have evolved to the point that they could goto the moon.

Are we just biological machinery that have no real cause to exist?

LOL I find it funny that christians think that atheist think there is no real reason to exist. We exist to explorer, exploration is the one thing that every human does and reproduce and live on. It doens't have to be to goto a place where the streets are made of gold haha.

Is death just it?

Yes. Until there is any evidence of a afterlife I will never believe in a soul or heaven or hell or afterlife.

What is a soul why do people care?

Well the soul IMO is just the brain until I find evidence other wise that is all I will believe. And the reason people care is cause they don't want people to die and never see them again so they think that if we have something like a so that goes to a place that when when they did they will be able to go there and see all the people the missed.

 

[nickyandersonuk]

I think people that live in Darkenss are decieved by thier own evil deeds ( i hate saying evil so much) and feel that they aren't worthy to enter into God kingdom of light, at a guess i don't think people pursposly go out to commit wrong but people do know that they cannot be perfect. The way christianity has been presented is that you need to be holy before you can come over.

We all have a sense that we need somthing else that somthing else is God

 

[lithium.]

We all have a sense that we need somthing else that somthing else is God

I don't have that sense. I just have a feeling to live.

 

[webboffin]

LORD God through Jesus Christ did prove himself on many occasions in front of many eye witnesses that he the LORD existed (Lazarus was raised from the grave was one compelling account) John 12:17
The Bible has many historical accounts with famous people that historians -not just Christians, know as fact who existed such as: Jesus, Pilate, Ceasar, Salem, Herod, Sodom, David just to name a few of the many. They all played an active role in the Bible. There is much evidence in the Bible which tie in with already well known historical facts.
You are obviously not too versed on history so get your head out of the space books and before you beg for proof go and search for it - it is already here.
But I know those will chose to ignore looking because they really don't want proof they rather remain close minded and be in self induced denial.

Repent and accept you have much more to gain and nothing to lose. The unfaithful dead take nothing to the grave but themselves. What man has has built for himself today will be destroyed and forgotten. Those who died with faith in the LORD will become again and for eternity will keep.

 

[platzapS]

I find it interesting to read your old posts, Walking_With_Angels!

 

[The Bellman]

I gave Christianity a try and it has been working for me for 20 years. I still have problems, just like everyone I know has problems. But with God's help, I overcome those problems.

And the rest of us overcome those problems withOUT god's help. Funny, sounds like everyone is overcoming these problems on their own...just some people credit god for no good reason.

When I look at people who do not know God, I see them stuck in troubles and problems that they just do not seem to be able to overcome.

Then you must look at a very select group. I know many athiests, many christians, and many people of other religions. None of them have any more troubles or problems than any of the other groups, and all seem to overcome these problems with about the same success.