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Is the year when the tribulation ends written in scripture?

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The prophecy says that it is determined that 70 weeks are the time for it to be fulfilled. Within that 70 weeks there are periods where different things will take place. The last week, the 70th week,is when the Prince the Messiah comes and makes a covenant.

There is no conditional language in the prophecy and it came to pass within the time frame determined.
No it doesn't, you have a reading disorder my friend.

{KJV}Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks {OF JUDGMENT} are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

You insist its 70 weeks in a row, NOT God. That's your words, not Gods, He says there will be 70 weeks or 490 years of judgment on Israel. When Israel rejected Jesus, God forsook Israel and refused to recognize them, they were as Dead Men's Bones, what do you think the Ezekiel 37 Valley of Dry Bones prophecy is about man ? For nigh 2000 years Israel was as DEAD unto God, thus the last week of Judgment is on hold until God REVIVES them again !! If they REPENTED 2000 years ago, why were they deemed DEAD for 2000 years ? THEY MUST REPENT BEFORE the 70th week ends. You fundamentally do not understand this prophecy, but you think you do, get with it man !! This is not play time with Bonzo brother {Movie reference}, this is serious stuff.

{ESV} The Seventy Weeks
24 “Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. 25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people{Europeans/Romans in 70 AD} of the prince who is to come{2000 YEARS LATER} shall destroy the city and the sanctuary{in 70 AD}. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27 And he{the Prince that SHALL COME 2000 years later} shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

70 weeks or 490 years of JUDGMENT..........7 x 7.....62 x 7......1 x 7 finishes it off.
 
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No it doesn't, you have a reading disorder my friend.

{KJV}Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks {OF JUDGMENT} are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

{You insist its 70 weeks in a row, NOT God. That your words, not Gods, he says there will be 70 weeks or 490 years of judgment on Israel.

Seventy weeks is the total. Then the events are described as to which weeks they will occur in. The text says that the counter starts when the decree to build the temple goes out. And then the prophecy in sequence, tells us what is supposed to happen. No conditions upon its fulfillment, just that it will occur in the 70 weeks determined for it. And those are Gods words. He starts out with that statement, says its seventy weeks and then accounts for all the weeks. God had Daniel write it down as successive weeks. 7 + 62 + 1 = 70. And 486 and a half years after the decree to rebuild the temple went out, Jesus Christ was crucified exactly as the prophecy stated.

70 weeks to accomplish all these things: "to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

They all happened. That you don't accept that they happened puts you in the category of people who reject the Messiah. Because if that prophecy wasn't fulfilled, then we're still waiting on the Messiah.
 
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And those are Gods words. He starts out with that statement, says its seventy weeks and then accounts for all the weeks. God had Daniel write it down as successive weeks. 7 + 62 + 1 = 70.
Succesive, but not uninterrupted. What is the demarcation for the beginning of the 70th week?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

They all happened. That you don't accept that they happened puts you in the category of people who reject the Messiah. Because if that prophecy wasn't fulfilled, then we're still waiting on the Messiah.
Do you know what the Jews (judaism) believe about Daniel 9? They believe the 70 weeks are complete, just like you (but not in the same manner). And they happen to be waiting on the messiah (someone they believe to be other than Jesus).

So persons who believe the 70th week is still future are not in the same category as the who have rejected Jesus is the messiah.

imo, you need to let your emotions settled down, and come to grips that your view is wrong, based upon irrefutable evidence in Zechariah 14:3-5, of the Mt. of Olives still is not split in half. And come over to the futurist view of the 70th week.

There is still plenty of disagreement within the futurist ranks. But that the 70th week is still future, all futurists pretty much agree upon.
 
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Seventy weeks is the total. Then the events are described as to which weeks they will occur in. The text says that the counter starts when the decree to build the temple goes out. And then the prophecy in sequence, tells us what is supposed to happen. No conditions upon its fulfillment, just that it will occur in the 70 weeks determined for it. And those are Gods words. He starts out with that statement, says its seventy weeks and then accounts for all the weeks. God had Daniel write it down as successive weeks. 7 + 62 + 1 = 70. And 486 and a half years after the decree to rebuild the temple went out, Jesus Christ was crucified exactly as the prophecy stated.

70 weeks to accomplish all these things: "to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

They all happened. That you don't accept that they happened puts you in the category of people who reject the Messiah. Because if that prophecy wasn't fulfilled, then we're still waiting on the Messiah.
You are wrong, its 70 weeks of JUDGMENT, and its laid out in a 7 x 7 {49 years}, a 62 x 7 {434 years} and a 1 x 7 {7 years}. Israel had been dead for 2000 years until 1948. If you can't understand these prophecies maybe this isn't what you are called unto brother. I mean its pretty simple, all of these GOALS have to be COMPLETED before the 70th weeks Prophecy can be COMPLETED, yet you insist its completed, even though Israel hasn't repented, all because Satan knows how to TWIST SCRIPTURES, and confuse people.

It is what it is.
 
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Succesive, but not uninterrupted. What is the demarcation for the beginning of the 70th week?

That would be the end of the 69th week. Just like it says in the text itself , "and after the sixty two weeks."

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

There you go. The last week. The seventieth week. That word "midst" just means middle. It doesn't mean that time stopped. You know, even if you were to claim that sacrifices ceasing meant the complete cessation of sacrifice - destruction of the temple - it still is within 40 years of this 490 years. We know now though - and Paul in Hebrews clarifies this - that the ceasing of the sacrifice was due to Christ's sacrifice which ended the efficacy of animal sacrifice.

Jesus unified Israel with the Gentiles by his death. And so the physical nation of Israel has no more significance, nor will it ever. The Church is Israel. This is why Paul said that "one is not a Jew who is one outwardly." Jewishness is no longer measured by any genealogy or circumcision other than whether or not a person is born again. The "chosen" who were once chosen to bring the oracles of God to mankind, are now those who have obeyed Christ.

Because you don't understand the gospel itself, you've bought into a doctrine that rejects Jesus.

Do you know what the Jews (judaism) believes about Daniel 9? They believe the 70 weeks are complete, just like you (but not in the same manner). And they happen to be waiting on the messiah (someone they believe to be other than Jesus).

Right. Their scholars are not so bold as to argue with the time frame God laid out, though they are so bold as to mock Jesus in their Talmud and call him every sort of name including child abuser. They mock him in the same manner Jews did 2000 years ago because he allowed them to kill him.

So persons who believe the 70th week is still future are not in the same category as the who have rejected Jesus is the messiah.

Sure they are. If that wasn't the completion of God's prophecy, then the Messiah that came didn't come to do what God appointed him to do. You guys want an earthly king. And because this didn't happen, you claim that there was a postponement. A postponement that cannot be found in the text. Anywhere.

And come over to the futurist view of the 70th week.

Why would I want to seek that which was already delivered? Do you see how unappreciative of God's grace that is?

Sorry God, this heavenly kingdom you delivered just isn't enough. What I really want to do is lord over the rest of the world my special position. I know that you're going to come back and let me kill the people I hate in your name. Won't it be grand?
 
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What begins the 70th week?

The first day of the 70th week. Is this really a question? "After the 62 weeks" - that means when those weeks are finished, the start of the next week.
 
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You are wrong, its 70 weeks of JUDGMENT, and its laid out in a 7 x 7 {49 years}, a 62 x 7 {434 years} ans a 1 x 7 {7 years}.

That's 490 years which was to begin when the decree to rebuild the temple went out.
Israel had been dead for 2000 years until 1948.

How does this relate at all? For the entire time, Israel was alive and its people were returned to Jerusalem long before the end of this prophecy. They were returned, the temple was restored and just in time for the Messiah to arrive and confirm a covenant.
If you can't understand these prophecies maybe this isn't what you are called unto brother. I mean its pretty simple, all of these GOALS have to be COMPLETED before the 70th week

They were completed before the end of the 70th week just as God said. We're in agreement that they had to be completed. I believe they were, you do not. Maybe you aren't called to understand prophecy? I am called to believe God and I do. I don't think he makes mistakes. He said 70 weeks (490 years) and he said when that 70 weeks would start, and before the 70 weeks was ended, all of what he said would come to pass, came to pass.

can Prophecy can be COMPLETED, yet you insist its completed, even though Israel hasn't repented, all because Satan knows how to TWIST SCRIPTURES, and confuse people.

Some of Israel repented. They became Christians. There is nothing conditional in the prophecy. If there is, show the specific language which makes any of the prophecy's completion conditional. Since you understand it better than I do, this shouldn't be hard at all for you.
 
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The first day of the 70th week. Is this really a question? "After the 62 weeks" - that means when those weeks are finished, the start of the next week.
The question was what begins the 70th week?

Look at the part highlighted in blue. The person does something to confirm the covenant - "for one week" That's what begins the 70th week. What's that something he does to confirm the covenant? To begin the 70th week.

(many futurists think that the person signs a peace treaty involving Israel that has a 7 years stipulation. I personally don't think that is what the something will be.)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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That's 490 years which was to begin when the decree to rebuild the temple went out.
So you have identified what "something" begins the 70th week. What "something" ends the 70th week?
 
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70 weeks to accomplish all these things: "to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression


Is or is not the holy city meaning Jerusalem? If it is, how does it make good sense that the transgression against Jerusalem is finished, then a number of years later, this same Jerusalem is utterly destroyed?
 
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Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression


Is or is not the holy city meaning Jerusalem? If it is, how does it make good sense that the transgression against Jerusalem is finished, then a number of years later, this same Jerusalem is utterly destroyed?

Why do you think that this means against the city and not that the city finishes its transgression against God? (By crucifying the Christ)

The destruction of the city 40 years later in my mind is to not only show that they had brought God's wrath upon themselves, but to wipe out the religion from ever being able to be properly practiced. Without a temple and without the genealogies to determine who was a proper Levite, no sacrifice or atonement could occur in the old manner ever again.
 
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So you have identified what "something" begins the 70th week. What "something" ends the 70th week?

In context, we're talking about time, not events. There is not a specific event that is said to begin the 70th week. It just says, "after the sixty two weeks." The main event is said to happen in the middle of that last week. God just said basically, "all these things will happen in the 70 weeks starting from the decree to build the temple."
 
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So you have identified what "something" begins the 70th week. What "something" ends the 70th week?

It doesn't say specifically. It just marks the middle of the week with Jesus confirming the covenant. That leaves 3 1/2 years afterward which I *think* corresponds with Peter's unlocking the kingdom to the Gentiles, but it's not really important if it does since the prophecy doesn't say anything of it. If we try and connect some event to the rest of the last week that isn't mentioned in the prophecy, we're just adding our own pretext.
 
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Why do you think that this means against the city and not that the city finishes its transgression against God? (By crucifying the Christ)

The destruction of the city 40 years later in my mind is to not only show that they had brought God's wrath upon themselves, but to wipe out the religion from ever being able to be properly practiced. Without a temple and without the genealogies to determine who was a proper Levite, no sacrifice or atonement could occur in the old manner ever again.


For one thing I would think we need to take the following into consideration.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined----Daniel 9:26

I would think the following is meaning the same city meant in verse 26.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression---Daniel 9:24

And if this is correct, this means what I have quoted from verse 26 above, it has to be fulfilled first before this 70 weeks can even be finished.

But assuming there are no gaps in the 70 weeks, such as some of you conclude, that would place the events of verse 26 above, after the 70 weeks have finished rather than before they have finished, thus a contradiction. Verse 26 and what I have quoted from it clearly proves there is still the transgression against the holy city still in affect when these events take place. That contradicts what I have quoted from verse 24, if what I have quoted from verse 26 follows, rather than precedes, what I have quoted from verse 24.
 
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If the tribulation took place in 70 AD then why are all of these tribulation events still unfulfilled in Zechariah 14?
  1. All the nations will be gathered against Jerusalem.
  2. Jesus will stand on the Mount of Olive and it shall be split in two from east to west. Is it split in two yet?
  3. The Lord will come with all the holy ones with him.
  4. On that day there will be neither day nor night.
  5. The Lord will be king over all the earth.
  6. Jerusalem will be inhabited and never again a decree of utter destruction.
  7. Peoples flesh will rot while standing on their feet, their eye will rot in their sockets.
  8. Everyone who survives of all the nations shall go up to Jerusalem year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths.
  9. If they do not go up they will not receive any rain.
And in Daniel 12.
  1. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.
  2. In the time of the end knowledge and travel will be increased. Mankind has traveled and has more knowledge than they did in 70 AD.
The tribulation is near and not many years away, the time to share the gospel is today because spiritual darkness and persecution is coming soon when no man will be able to work and share the light of Jesus salvation.

John 9:4 We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work.

Zechariah 14:2-17 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (3) Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. (4) On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. (5) And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. (6) On that day there shall be no light, cold, or frost. (7) And there shall be a unique day, which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but at evening time there shall be light. (8) On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter. (9) And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one. (10) The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft on its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses. (11) And it shall be inhabited, for there shall never again be a decree of utter destruction. Jerusalem shall dwell in security. (12) And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. (13) And on that day a great panic from the LORD shall fall on them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of the one will be raised against the hand of the other. (14) Even Judah will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations shall be collected, gold, silver, and garments in great abundance. (15) And a plague like this plague shall fall on the horses, the mules, the camels, the donkeys, and whatever beasts may be in those camps. (16) Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. (17) And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them.

Daniel 12:1-4 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. (2) And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (3) And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. (4) But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
 
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That's 490 years which was to begin when the decree to rebuild the temple went out.
No, its 490 years of Judgment in THREE INSTALLMENTS......49 Years....434 years....and 7 years. You insisting its concurrent/linear years doesn't change how God sees it.

How does this relate at all? For the entire time, Israel was alive and its people were returned to Jerusalem long before the end of this prophecy. They were returned, the temple was restored and just in time for the Messiah to arrive and confirm a covenant.
Because, the final 7 years of Judgment is when Israel repents !! Read Malachi 4:5-6, Elijah is sent back BEFORE the Great and dreadful day of the Lord to TURN Israel back unto God !! The DOTL is when the First through 7th Seal are all opened on day 1261 of the 2520 days in the 70th week. This means the Anti-Christ {First 4 Seals...........the 5th Seal is his Murders} serves as the Beast for 1260 days. 1260 + 1260 = 2520. Day 1261 is the first day PAST day 1260.{In the middle of the week}.

The Messiah is CUT OFF, the Veil is torn asunder. Israel is not recognized again until 1948, the Holy Spirit falls on the Disciples/Church, thus we get the Pentecost, do you understand that in full ? Do you see what happened at the Pentecost ?

The Leviticus 23 Feasts gives us the whole history of mankind.

Spring Feasts that Jesus Fulfilled via his Death and Resurrection.

1.) The Feast of Passover {Jesus fulfilled this and became our Passover.}
2.) The Feast of Unleavened Bread {Jesus was Without Sin.}
3.) The Feast of First-fruits {Jesus was the First-fruits of the Grave.}

The Harvest was ALL ALONE on the Calendar, just like the Church Age !!

4.) The Pentecost/Feast of Weeks/The Harvest { This is the Church Age, we are the body of Christ and our job is to Harvest Souls for the Master !! A Paradigm shift happened at this time, the Mantle was taken from an unbelieving Israel, and given to the Church, both Jews and Gentiles, to reach the world with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What always ended the Jewish Harvest ? The Last Trump {not many understand this, the Feast of Trumps ENDS the Harvest and points towards the coming Feasts of ATONEMENT and TABERNACLE. }

The coming Fall Feasts

5.) The Feast of Trumpets {This usually didn't do very much, except to make ANNOUNCEMENTS, just like the Trumps in Revelation announce coming plagues. Here the Trump {Last Trump} ends the Harvest {Church Age/Rapture} and ANNOUNCES that Atonement and Tabernacle is nigh.}

6.) The Feast of Atonement { Israel must now ATONE, this is the final week of judgment, this is the 70th week. Malachi 4:5-6 says Israel will turn back to God at this time. The Church is CALLED HOME, thus the Harvest has ended, now Israel must Repent. }

7.) The Feast of Tabernacle { To TABERNACLE means by definition to Dwell with God !! So Israel ATONES/Repents, and then God protects them for 1260 days in the Wilderness of Petra, then Jesus returns to Mt. Zion to rescue them and to defeat the Beast and then guess what ? Israel DWELLS with Jesus for 1000 years ON EARTH !! Come on man, this is an easy read !! The Harvest = the Church Age, Israel is as Dead Men's Bones during the Harvest/Church Age. You just don't understand the 70 Week prophecy man. }
 
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They were completed before the end of the 70th week just as God said. We're in agreement that they had to be completed. I believe they were, you do not. Maybe you aren't called to understand prophecy? I am called to believe God and I do. I don't think he makes mistakes. He said 70 weeks (490 years) and he said when that 70 weeks would start, and before the 70 weeks was ended, all of what he said would come to pass, came to pass.
You don't understand Israel have not yet ATONED ? Prophecy is not everyone's forte. God made no mistake, you just don't understand this prophecy here brother.

Some of Israel repented. They became Christians. There is nothing conditional in the prophecy. If there is, show the specific language which makes any of the prophecy's completion conditional. Since you understand it better than I do, this shouldn't be hard at all for you.
The Bible says ALL Israel will be saved, that doesn't mean every Jew, it does however mean Israel as a Nation will turn to God. Romans 11 tells us this, the Gentiles will have the Mantle, but God will eventually save ALL Israel, which means the Jews as a Nation {1/3 of the Jews turn to God, see Zechariah 13:8-9} turn to God, not a few Disciples brother.

Read Zechariah 13:8-9, Read Malachi 4:5-6, Read Daniel chapter 12. All these point to the Jews REPENTING at the 1335, then fleeing Judea at the 1290 which happens 30 days BEFORE the 1260 where the Beast Conquers Jerusalem.

1335, the Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before all these wonders end {Second Coming}.

1290 is the False Prophet {High Priest} placing the AoD {Image of the E.U. President} in the Temple of God 1290 days before these Wonders End {Second Coming}.

1260, the E.U. President/Anti-Christ becomes the Beast by Conquering Jerusalem/Israel and the MANY other Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, 1260 days before the Second Coming !!
 
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Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression


Is or is not the holy city meaning Jerusalem? If it is, how does it make good sense that the transgression against Jerusalem is finished, then a number of years later, this same Jerusalem is utterly destroyed?
It just simply means the Jews and their Holy City will be accursed for nigh 2000 years. Jerusalem basically became a non entity in world events until 1948. It was not a thriving city until the Jews returned. It was cursed with Arab rule nor trodden under foot by the Gentiles. Likewise God judged the Babylonians and THE CITY was cursed also. But Jerusalem will be the dwelling place of Jesus Christ, its not going to be destroyed.
 
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