Benedicta00
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Do you even believe in a such thing called objective truth? And if truth is subjective then that makes my beliefs just as true as yours.@@Paul@@ said:
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Is The Trinity Biblical?
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nephilimiyr
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Did Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John write the gospels to lock them up till the time the nicene council convened or did they distribute the gospels without haste to the world? When was the nicene creed written? was it written before or after the gospels? When was the book of acts and the other epistles written, was it before or after the nicene creed was written. It looks as though your saying you believe the creed was written before any of the NT books.Shelb5 said:
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Wow, great thread! look how many postings and what lively debate! Somewhere in here you may find an answer!TugOwar said:
I like 1John5:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
It's enough for me, that and asking God in my prayers to lead me to a better understanding of what He wants me to know. Hugz, Singz4Him
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thereselittleflower said:
You have no idea...
Historical opinion is based on historical facts of someone's interpretation of one's own opinion... pointless argument..
The trinity is a man made word to explain something we can not fully understand, because as humans, God forbid we simply say "I don't understand"... It, like so much of what we do today, puts God in a box...
Jesus is God, That is all i need to know about His nature to have the free gift of eternal life...
The trinity appears to be biblical.
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Benedicta00
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nephilimiyr said:
Was it not the first century Christians who God inspired to write them??
At what time? It was over a period of a 100 years all the books were written, and they were those that were no written by Gods inspiration, how did the Christians know what was false and what wasnt? What did the early Church use before a word was ever penned? How was the early Church kept alive before the gospels were even written down?
Again this is a straw. We know that. But I ask again why was Arian able to use scripture to disprove the divinity of Christ and why was it so compelling that martyrs were made and half the Church was divided?
Do you think the early Church as over after Acts? Or do you think they made more history than just what was written down in Acts?
Why am I being limited by only citing what is in the bible? Did the early Church pack up after acts? You mean you would dismiss the Church history of the first, second, third, ect, century after Acts just because it wasnt put in a canon?
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That is why I am asking for documentation. Are you saying that Church histroy does not mean anything? What happened to the Church after Acts is not real?
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We can see in the bible "letters" were floating around... These letters were then grouped together..Shelb5 said:
I can't recall the actual classifications, i'll post later.. "The Gospels with the Acts" for one i believe,,, the Pauline letters... etc..
The NT does not have to be "canonized" for the NT writings to be traveling around.
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Of course it is. It is made evident that the Holy Ghost is God and it is made evident that Jesus is God in the flesh. If you question this read John 1 and Acts 2.@@Paul@@ said:
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/me lowers head in shame
I am sorry I started this thread.
I hope this example of degrading others isn't representative of the RCC as a whole.
I would respectfully ask that a Mod close this thread and remove it to hell (recycle bin) where it belongs.
When I say ... I am a christian"
I'm not shouting " Im clean living"
I'm whispering " I was lost"
Now I'm found and forgiven.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I dont speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble
and need CHRIST to be my guide.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak
and need HIS strength to carry on.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I'm not bragging of success.
I'm admitting I have failed
and need GOD to clean my mess.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
but,GOD believes I am worth it.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I still feel the sting of pain,
I have my share of heartaches
So I call upon His name.
When I say ... "I am a Christian"
I'm not holier than thou.
Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
I am sorry I started this thread.
I hope this example of degrading others isn't representative of the RCC as a whole.
I would respectfully ask that a Mod close this thread and remove it to hell (recycle bin) where it belongs.
When I say ... I am a christian"
I'm not shouting " Im clean living"
I'm whispering " I was lost"
Now I'm found and forgiven.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I dont speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble
and need CHRIST to be my guide.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak
and need HIS strength to carry on.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I'm not bragging of success.
I'm admitting I have failed
and need GOD to clean my mess.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
but,GOD believes I am worth it.
When I say ..."I am a Christian"
I still feel the sting of pain,
I have my share of heartaches
So I call upon His name.
When I say ... "I am a Christian"
I'm not holier than thou.
Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
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Paul, I don't see where we were discussing historical opinion . . just historical facts . .@@Paul@@ said:
I agree, the Trinity is biblical.
Peace in Him!
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Benedicta00
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Really? Were they all inspired or were some that were floating around, not? And how did the early Church know which ones were not from God? What did they use to know that these were from God.@@Paul@@ said:
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Neph, we have scriptures which clearly state the Jesus is God ..nephilimiyr said:
Where are the scriptures that clearly state the Holy Spirit is God?
Peace in Him!
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Shelb5 said:
Who's church history? Your's or mine?
I think it's all serving a purpose, and it all means something...
I really don't think an early church history thread (60ad>100ad) would do anyone here any good... much like a History of the bible thread..
But i'll post it!!..........
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thereselittleflower said:
but those facts are based on someone's opinion... someone has to write it down... Only the word of God is said to be inspired.
Bibically we agree on it... let's stop while we're ahead...
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Benedicta00
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Not even once did I say that. Straw. I know that the scripture were around before the Council assembled.nephilimiyr said:
What I am asking you is pretty pointed. When the books were written how did he early Christian know they were from God?
And another question, why was Arian able to use the scriptures to convince half of Christendom at the time that Jesus was not God?
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Paul, I am confused . . are you saying that the only true history is found in the bible, and that all other historical records are suspect and therefore merely opinions?@@Paul@@ said:but those facts are based on someone's opinion... someone has to write it down... Only the word of God is said to be inspired.
Bibically we agree on it... let's stop while we're ahead...
It is "my opinion" that WWII happened?
Peace in Him!
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I hear ya man... But if you didn't start it, sooner or later, someone would have.TugOwar said:
It should have been locked at the first 'hint' of an insult...
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Benedicta00
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You know this might be the most sense you have made so far.@@Paul@@ said:
You are right Trinity is a word because we do not have anything better to put this into words. The Church fully understands that but what it does imply as much as limited humans can grasp is divine truth and it was in order to counter a heresy that Jesus was not God.
You just cant for the life of you give credit to the Church for condemning this heresy by infallibly defining who God is as best as us humans possibly can, can you?
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