Why are we forcing any thing. The souls in Revelation 6 are given robes of white, glorified in Paradise. Where in Revelation 20 does it say souls are given robes of white and glorified in Paradise. NO WHERE!!! So who is forcing Revelation 20 to say what Revelation 6 says?
Revelation 9:1-2.Forget Revelation 9:1-2, and it will be real simple.
Forget Matthew 25:31-46, and it will be real simple.
Forget Revelation 11:15-18, and it will be real simple.
Forget 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and it will be real simple.
Forget 2 Timothy 4:1, and it will be real simple.
If two different eyewitnesses describe the same automobile accident using different words, it could not be the same wreck based on your logic???
And this is what is required to make the Premill doctrine work...
Is the Second Coming before the 1000 years. That is the only thing to interpret, no? Do you have excess baggage in your closet? Not me.
Revelation 9:1-2.
"The fifth angel sounded his shofar; and I saw a star that had fallen out of heaven onto the earth, and he was given the key to the shaft leading down to the Abyss.
2 He opened the shaft of the Abyss, and there went up smoke from the shaft like the smoke of a huge furnace; the sun was darkened, and the sky too, by the smoke from the shaft."
If that is Satan opening his front door, it is not because he was bound there. He left heaven to accomplish the job.
It is not Satan, since he is one of the angels in the pit when the angel comes down with the key in Revelation 9:1-2.
Fire appears throughout Revelation, not just in Revelation 20.Paul reveals the timing for us.
Paul says Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.
Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.
The judgment of the dead is found at the end of Revelation 20, and also in Revelation 11:18.
It is not Satan, since he is one of the angels in the pit when the angel comes down with the key in Revelation 9:1-2.
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
In the 5th seal nothing is said about the souls under the altar being martyred for their refusal to worship the beast, his image, or receive his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands. They also are seeing to be asking,Sure we can.
"souls" are found in heaven.
The texts below prove the Saints in Revelation 20 can span the entire age of the Church, which would include the Apostle Paul.
Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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Does the resurrection of the dead not take place at the return of Christ?
So it's quite obvious that the 5th seal is not talking about the same group of martyrs that Revelation 20 is talking about.
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.And the return of Christ is found in Revelation 11:15-18, which includes the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead.
You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.
This passage is one of several which prove the book is not in chronological order.
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The whole book is about the second coming. The order is unchangeable. It is also correct being that it is God's Word. Your theology is chronologically out of order. If your theory was, right, you would not make that claim about the Word of God.And the return of Christ is found in Revelation 11:15-18, which includes the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead.
You cannot have a judgment of the dead without a bodily resurrection of the dead.
This passage is one of several which prove the book is not in chronological order.
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Therefore those dead who are not resurrected from the dead when the 7th trumpet sounds, are judged, because the 2nd death still has power over them - whereas the 2nd death will not have power over those who are resurrected at that point in time.
The dead do not have to be resurrected when Christ returns in order to be judged. They can be judged and the sentence upon them executed a thousand years later at the GWT - which is when the text says the sentence will be executed. Whoever does not believe is condemned already, as we speak.2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet in Revelation 11:15-18.
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The dead do not have to be resurrected when Christ returns in order to be judged.
Maybe so, but in the days of Noah, judgment was passed down by God 120 years before the flood came. Judgment was passed the moment God said,Resurrection and judgment go hand in hand. That verse is speaking of judging the dead in Christ not the unsaved dead who are judged at a different time.
There is no mention of the church in Revelation 20. How do you get from those beheaded in Satan's 42 months to them being in Christ? They got their heads cut off to avoid the mark. The mark is in exchange for one's name in the book of life. But being beheaded is not a decision about the Atonement. They only escape the second death. They are not glorified or part of the church.Resurrection and judgment go hand in hand. That verse is speaking of judging the dead in Christ not the unsaved dead who are judged at a different time.
There is no mention of the church in Revelation 20. How do you get from those beheaded in Satan's 42 months to them being in Christ? They got their heads cut off to avoid the mark. The mark is in exchange for one's name in the book of life. But being beheaded is not a decision about the Atonement. They only escape the second death. They are not glorified or part of the church.
This resurrection was after the Second Coming. The church in Christ was judged, buried, and resurrected in 30AD, at least 1990 years before the Revelation 20 resurrection.Uh, they are part of the first resurrection which means they are part of the Church and are glorified and immortal.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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