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the bible speaks in pre-judeo/Christian symbols
serpent means
''wise one''
[wise guy]
think snake oil salesman
jesus commands his followers to be serpent-like.
DNA
two serpents
wisdom
knowledge
gnosis
veda
the other person on the dragon line
is going the right way ...
reptilians
dinosaurs
ruling the earth
No, snakes have no power. And mighty small brains.
But they taste OK in a pinch.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. The word simply means snake:
Strong's H5175 - nachash נָחָשׁ
1) serpent, snake
a) serpent
b) image (of serpent)
c) fleeing serpent (mythological)
The serpent and the dragon are Satan, think proper name.
The great dragon was hurled downthat ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Rev 12:9)
I no longer think the serpent in Genesis 3 was an animal, even a possessed one. Instead, I think he was a spiritual being of serpentine shape. And that he was one of the sons of God who had stopped shouting with joy at the creation of the earth after he saw Adam and Eve put in charge of the place.
I've been persuaded by Michael Heiser's argument, which can be found here.
I would tend to agree. Satan was the snake only in the sense that he incited this once intelligent animal into tempting Eve. Jesus called Peter Satan, after he was incited by this same being. The King of Tyre was also referred to as the devil after being used by him as well.
I think the snake was an actual snake, who before the fall had legs, and the gift of speech.
You would seem to think he was either manifest as an actual snake or somehow possessed one, I tend to disagree. The more I think about it the more I think it was a proper name, just like calling him the 'Dragon' in the Revelation. This is one of those instances where I think a figurative interpretation is called for given the hermeneutic principle here.
I do agree with you about the prophecy concerning the King of Tyre, it sounds like Lucifer's original sin being described as well as a prophecy regarding the power behind the throne in Tyre.
Grace and peace,
Mark
Looking at the hebrew, I don't think it's possible.
Proper nouns in hebrew don't take the definite article, and nachash has the definite article.
And I would have to ask, if nachash is to be understood as a proper noun here, what about all the others instances where it is found in the old testament and clearly indicating snakes?
It's not that cut and dried and looking at the actual Hebrew there is a progression of thought that begins in Genesis 3 and continues until Revelations 20:2:
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years (Rev. 20:2)
Clearly the 'ancient serpent' is Satan, the same Satan who tempted Adam and Eve. ....
Hello everyone!
as a christian, I have been told that people who use snakes in their rituals are devil worshippers for the snake is the serpent of the garden of Eden; it used to have another shape but because of the curse in Genesis, the serpent has been turned into a snake; I believed that and no one could really tell me about the exact shape of the serpent before the curse until I came across the verses below:
Revelation 12:9
This great dragon⿿the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world⿿was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.
Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon⿿that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan⿿and bound him in chains for a thousand years.
in the verses above, it is the "dragon" that is mentioned; we know that the curse in Genesis turned the serpent into snake; we also know that a dragon looks somehow like a dinosaure; nowaday we don't see dragons nor dinosaures, they've all disapeared mysteriously; and if the dragon is the serpent as the Bible states, could it be that the real explanation of this disapearance is the one given in the Bible? have dinosaures and dragons been turned into snakes? because if we refer to the curse in Genesis, women still give birth with pain, man(in different parts of the world) still struggles to get his daily bread; so my question is: is the snake(cobra and others) the devil? are snakes the ones making people of the world to lie, steal, kill,...? is the cobra Lucifer? the devil=the snake??
Good article - as Heiser brought up some excellent points which often get overlooked in many respects.I no longer think the serpent in Genesis 3 was an animal, even a possessed one. Instead, I think he was a spiritual being of serpentine shape. And that he was one of the sons of God who had stopped shouting with joy at the creation of the earth after he saw Adam and Eve put in charge of the place.
I've been persuaded by Michael Heiser's argument, which can be found here.
By definition, a serpent is one who speaks enchantments or sorcery, or as it was in the case with Eve, a lie. For fact, Eve was deceived by the subtlety by the serpent, who, as the devil, also told the first lie (JN8:44): and, since there was only One Truth in the Beginning, which was the Commandment, then this lie had to be to Eve and had to be about the Commandment, which lie she believed and became deceived by.
Okay, so let's test out this theory. Let's look at other passages that speak of the nacash (nahash) and see if your theory holds up.
Gen. 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way,In all these verse above, your definition does not work. All of these are the same root word, nachash. And yet if you put "one who speaks enchantments" instead of serpent, the passages won't make any sense. Notice all the parallelisms with other names for snakes. In english we also have multiple names for snakes, serpents vipers cobras, asps, etc. The use of nachash with all these other terms shows the hebrews understood it as a parallel term.
A viper by the path,
That bites the horses heels
So that its rider shall fall backward.
Ex. 4:3 And He said, Cast it on the ground. So he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from it.
Num. 21:6 So the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.
Num. 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you; pray to the LORD that He take away the serpents from us. So Moses prayed for the people.
Num. 21:9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
Deut. 8:15 who led you through that great and terrible wilderness, in which were fiery serpents and scorpions and thirsty land where there was no water; who brought water for you out of the flinty rock;
2Kings 18:4 He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan.
Is. 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
And dust shall be the serpents food.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,
Says the LORD.
Jer. 8:17 For behold, I will send serpents among you,
Vipers which cannot be charmed,
And they shall bite you, says the LORD.
Amos 5:19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion,
And a bear met him!
Or as though he went into the house,
Leaned his hand on the wall,
And a serpent bit him!
Amos 9:3 And though they hide themselves on top of Carmel,
From there I will search and take them;
Though they hide from My sight at the bottom of the sea,
From there I will command the serpent, and it shall bite them;
Mic. 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent;
They shall crawl from their holes like snakes of the earth.
They shall be afraid of the LORD our God,
And shall fear because of You.
Psa. 58:4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent;
They are like the deaf cobra that stops its ear,
Psa. 140:3 They sharpen their tongues like a serpent;
The poison of asps is under their lips.
Selah
Prov. 23:32 At the last it bites like a serpent,
And stings like a viper.
Prov. 30:19 The way of an eagle in the air,
The way of a serpent on a rock,
The way of a ship in the midst of the sea,
And the way of a man with a virgin.
Eccl. 10:8 He who digs a pit will fall into it,
And whoever breaks through a wall will be bitten by a serpent.
Eccl. 10:11 A serpent may bite when it is not charmed;
The babbler is no different.
Now it is true that the hebrew uses the word nachash to describe enchantment or sorcery based on the original snake's behavior. An ultra literal translation might be snakery or serpentry which would be understood is sorcery to the hebrew reader. But since in english we don't have such a derived term, we translate it as sorcery or enchantment. But that doesn't erase the normal usage of that word, it merely adds to its meaning in certain contexts. But you look at the verses above, you see that the only valid translation in those cases is serpent or snake.
Now we do sometimes use the term snake in english to describe a swindler or sometimes an unfaithful cheating spouse, etc. So even in english we'll use the term snake in a non-literal meaning. But that doesn't negate the normal usage of the term to describe an animal that goes about on its belly.
You have proven nothing at all, but I know you think you have. Let's test out your theory that the serpent was a snake. For a fact, snakes do not talk, and nowhere is scripture does it say the devil had the power to make animals talk; therefore, you believe in myth and fable, but not the truth.
..in the verses above, it is the "dragon" that is mentioned; we know that the curse in Genesis turned the serpent into snake;,,
The curse did not turn the serpent into a snake "Serpent" is a metaphore for Satan.
Look at Ezk 28:12-14:
Here we have an alegory about Satan.
This is not abaout the king of tyre for at least 2 reasons: He was not in the garden of Eden and he was not a Cherub.
There was only 4 people in the garden, God, Adam and Eve and the serpent but making the king of Tyre part of the allegory, he musts represent Satan.
Also notice in verse 14 who put him in the garden---God. If you read verse 14 in the NIV it seems to make satan's original purpose was to be Adam and Eve's guardian angel.
Even in the NASB it says "you were the anointed cherub who covers and "covers" should be translatged protects."
>> is the cobra Lucifer? the devil=the snake?? <<
I don't know know where you are getting "cobra." The serpent in Geneis is the devil, satan and Lucifer and the draqgon of Revelation.
kermit
No, the serpent is not a cobra, but it is one of the several words in scripture used as a parallel for snake. Do you know what hebrew parallelism is? The Serpent was not a person, nor even the devil incarnate, but a real snake, like a cobra, or viper, etc.
In fact, the king of Tyre helps to illustrate how this worked, and in what sense the serpent was Satan. For just as Satan incited the king of Tyre to the point where Satan was identified as the king of Tyre, so he also incited the snake. The point of the revelation in Ezekiel was to point out that while it was the king of Tyre being spoken of, the true mind behind his actions was the devil. Inciting men is what he does. He incited David to number the people. He incited Peter to oppose the plan of Christ, to which Christ replied to Peter "get behind thee Satan." Likewise, in the Garden before the fall he incited an intelligent animal to beguile Eve. Makes perfect sense as there were no other humans around at that time, and the animals were much different than today.
But again, if you look at the usage of the term nachash in the O.T. it is very often used to describe a snake. That is its normal meaning, and the basis of its figurative meanings.
what?? the serpent is not a cobra? but you will agree that a cobra is a serpent? is it one way only?? and when the serpent was cursed, he became the snake we know, a cobra is a snake unless that God created snakes when he created the animals and the serpent was turned into a specific snake or into another shape; but if snakes com from the original serpent, then a cobra is a serpent therefore the devil or satan; I don't see why you don't understand my point; why would devil worshipers use snakes in their worships? it is as if identifying a snake as devil embarasses some people here;
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