seventysevens
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You are aligned with malignant nonsense and not truth which is why you cannot refute it you just complain
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You are aligned with malignant nonsense and not truth which is why you cannot refute it you just complainChrist never said that a group of people would be taken away from tribulation, then kept somewhere safe, then going back to Earth with Him to get everyone else, and then setting up Jerusalem on Earth.
The doctrine is a morphology of several doctrine taken out of context about resurrection, and various input from men. Believe it at your own risk. I am aligned.
Gathering His Bride to Himself and protecting her from the wrath to come is hardly "getting rid of her".For pretribbers, the Rapture is about getting rid of Christians so God can focus on "his people", the Jews.
Again you do not read nor understand the difference between , tribulation and a very specific time called the great tribulationDoesn't the Bible imply the end times will come when few even remember the name of Christ, or his teachings? And that's why the Antichrist will so easily take over?
Also when has God ever implied Christians are to be free of suffering? After all the early Church did endure persecution.
Can you give a patristic quote to substantiate your claim that the early church believed in the rapture?
I expect only one return of Jesus and do follow the timeline as found in REV. premil posttribIn the Book of Acts by Luke, a companion of Paul, it was written:
Acts 1:9 (World English Bible - Public Domain) When he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 While they were looking steadfastly into the sky as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white clothing, 11 who also said, “You men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who was received up from you into the sky will come back in the same way as you saw him going into the sky.”
I expect one return of Jesus. I do not hold to the teachings in Revelation of a millennial reign with Satan kept as a prisoner in a pit for a thousand years, only to be unleashed again for a time of tribulation and then a second judgement.
If you read Matthew 24 without any preconceived ideas, not accepting what men are saying, you just might see that the great tribulation referred to fell on the Jews at Pentecost when the city was surrounded by the Roman army in 70 AD. It was worse than the Holocaust.You have a most difficult time comprehending what you read
Paul taught it and Jesus spoke of it - but it ONLY read ONLY applies to people who have accepted Jesus as Lord PRIOR TO the GT
the deception you have fallen for is believing what men teach when it opposes what scripture teaches
Everyone has tribulation in life - but that is not what the Great Trib is -as it is the worst testing trial that mankind will ever endure at Jesus command because it is for those who refuse to repentant - but since you refuse to study you have become blind to the truth
If you study the WORD and not simply accept what men are saying you would know what is true - you don't know because you are not studying the WORD of God
Which verse says there would be no living beings left alive on all the earth?where Jesus said that if he did not cut it short no living beings would be left alive on all of earth
No it does not , not at all as Jesus makes it very clear that it happens right before His returnIf you read Matthew 24 without any preconceived ideas, not accepting what men are saying, you just might see that the great tribulation referred to fell on the Jews at Pentecost when the city was surrounded by the Roman army in 70 AD. It was worse than the Holocaust.
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.Which verse says there would be no living beings left alive on all the earth?
Please quote the scripture.
Prove it with scripture, please.No it does not , not at all as Jesus makes it very clear that it happens right before His return
No flesh where? It doesn't say on the whole earth, does it?21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
no flesh means , no people and no animals - you need to consider the destruction that is happening
From verse 3 to the rest of the chapterProve it with scripture, please.
Who is the 'you' in this verse?26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
Who is it that is in verseWho is the 'you' in this verse?
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
no flesh means , no people and no animals - you need to consider the destruction that is happening
Yeah rightttttt?No flesh where? It doesn't say on the whole earth, does it?
It seems to me that if we keep it in context it would be referring to the 'land' of a nation made up of tribes.Yeah rightttttt?
Maybe the Lord was just referring to the flesh in the petting zoo in Beijing?
As someone has already said, this is a red herring. Had the Scofield Bible never been published, we would still see from a proper study of Scripture that the Rapture will be pretribulational, just as Enoch was raptured before Flood.It is not the rapture that is a lie, but the pretribulation rapture teaching that is the great lie. Since the strange teaching of Scofield was published about 1905 the great lie has taken hold.
There are ONLY TWO comings of Christ to this earth.How many comings of Christ are we up to now? Three? Four?
Thank you for the links.In fact, rather than going back and forth, here is the link to Gill's and Clarke's commentaries.
Gill was a Calvinist and Clarke a Methodist.
Then maybe you would want to comment about their views as these are closely inline with mine.
Matthew 24 Gill's Exposition
Matthew 24 Clarke's Commentary
“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory." Matthew 24:29-30If you read Matthew 24 without any preconceived ideas, not accepting what men are saying, you just might see that the great tribulation referred to fell on the Jews at Pentecost when the city was surrounded by the Roman army in 70 AD. It was worse than the Holocaust.
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