Is the Old Covenant the ten commandments?

[Cribstyl]

Some people never read their auto insurance policy until they have an accident.
Are you sure of; "what are the words of the Old Covenant?

 

[k4c]

Some people never read their auto insurance policy until they have an accident.
Are you sure of; "what are the words of the Old Covenant?

Covenant means agreement.

Covenant: the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture.

Did the old covenant contain the Ten Commandments? Yes it did.

Does the new covenant contain the Ten Commandments? Yes it does. http://www.christianforums.com/t7546229/

So what's the difference between the two? The terms of the covenants are different, not the contents. It's still a sin to lie, steal, worship other gods and so on. The difference is you are not stoned to death for breaking them under the new covenant because God wants us to keep them from a heart of love, rather than, through fear of punishment.

I know you're going to reject everything I just wrote but this is for the young ears that are tuned into our discussion.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7546229/

 

[Cribstyl]

Covenant means agreement.

Covenant: the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture.

Did the old covenant contain the Ten Commandments? Yes it did.

Does the new covenant contain the Ten Commandments? Yes it does. http://www.christianforums.com/t7546229/

So what's the difference between the two? The terms of the covenants are different, not the contents. It's still a sin to lie, steal, worship other gods and so on. The difference is you are not stoned to death for breaking them under the new covenant because God wants us to keep them from a heart of love, rather than, through fear of punishment.

I know you're going to reject everything I just wrote but this is for the young ears that are tuned into our discussion.

If anything, the young ear will see that you've avoided the poll, and your two questions are not what the Original Post is asking.

Is the Old Covenant the ten commandments?
Yes, No, Ex 19?


Some people never read their auto insurance policy until they have an accident.
Are you sure of; "what are the words of the Old Covenant?

 

[Cribstyl]

Covenant means agreement.

Covenant: the conditional promises made to humanity by God, as revealed in Scripture.

Did the old covenant contain the Ten Commandments? Yes it did.

Does the new covenant contain the Ten Commandments? Yes it does. http://www.christianforums.com/t7546229/

So what's the difference between the two? The terms of the covenants are different, not the contents. It's still a sin to lie, steal, worship other gods and so on. The difference is you are not stoned to death for breaking them under the new covenant because God wants us to keep them from a heart of love, rather than, through fear of punishment.

I know you're going to reject everything I just wrote but this is for the young ears that are tuned into our discussion.

Slow your roll pal, we're not talking about the New Covenant.

Sorry to disagree.... In a covenant or any contract "the terms" are the conditions of the agreement.



It's true that a covenant contains the conditions of an agreement between 2 or more parties.
If the bible is true.........God has made several covenants with men.
All convenants are not conditional.

In an "unconditional covenant" only one party is has obligations to do what the covenant states.

Here is an example of an unconditional covenant.

Gen 9:11And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
Gen 9:12And God said, This [is] the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that [is] with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

The point is, there is no condition (requirement) for man to fulfill in this covenant. Only God can break this covenant.
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Since we're not communicating well unless I'm responding to your oil slick50 questions. I will address other posters that would probably respond directly.

 

[k4c]

If you knew the truth you would be able to show some scriptures that support what God's word say on this subject.

If you wanted the truth you would see that I've posted hundreds of verses already so we are way past that phase already.

 

[k4c]

If anything, the young ear will see that you've avoided the pole and your two questions are not what the Original Post is asking.

Is the Old Covenant the ten commandments?
Yes, No, Ex 19?


Some people never read their auto insurance policy until they have an accident.
Are you sure of; "what are the words of the Old Covenant?

 

[Cribstyl]

Funny
I take that as you saying;" I am alien to the scripture, but please explain Crib"

If you wanted the truth you would see that I've posted hundreds of verses already so we are way past that phase already.

Where have you explained what are the words of the Old Covenant without trying to argue about what id in the New Covenant?

Is this another thread sabotage move or must you have to controll all the dialogs in this forum??

 

[k4c]

Funny
I take that as you saying;" I am alien to the scripture, but please explain Crib"
Where have you explained what are the words of the Old Covenant without trying to argue about what's in the New Covenant?

I live by the words of Jesus so why you trying to put me under the old covenant?

John 12:48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

 

[Cribstyl]

I live by the words of Jesus so why you trying to put me under the old covenant?

John 12:48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

I'm tempted to respond but........this cant be another "your agenda or else sabotage" thread.

 

[Joe67]

The words spoken from heaven and heard out of the fire on Mt. Sinai, the words spoken by the angel of the Lord, if heard mixed with faith, as it was with a few, the everlasting (new) covenant would come through the faith mixed with the words.

When the Lord gave Abraham the work of circumcision, it was heard mixed with faith and thus it was an everlasting covenant through the gift of faith mixed with the words of duty.

In all communications, from the least duty to the greatest duty, faith is the gift of God by which grace (new/everlasting covenant) operates unto salvation from sin unto righteousness.

The duty is our servant status. Faith and grace are the gifts of the family membership.

New testament words are heard under the old covenant principle if these words are not mixed with the gift of faith through which grace operates with the operation of God's liberty that is in Jesus Christ.

Ex 20:1-3
And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. KJV

When we hear this mixed with faith/grace, we are then prepared to hear the next principle.

None of us start with faith and grace. We start with the authority of the speaker and consent unto duty because of the power of the authority of the speaker, whether it be human or angel. This is where all children begin and it is not to be despised or condemned. This is where Abram began under his father, Terah.

We only judge unto the condemnation of others when we have grown in human prowess and desires but not mixed with faith and grace. The words then become hard as stone in our thoughts. We do not hear them with wisdom and understanding that comes through being mixed with faith and grace.

The same experience comes in connection with the words of the New Testament. The words become hardened in our thoughts and we strive about the meaning of the words, which does not edify the Body of Jesus Christ. This striving is the wisdom of conceit, and leads us to despise the simple and not accept the grace of God in the ministry of Moses as the moonlight of grace. Moonlight is useful. Sunlight is greater.

Joe