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I like your wonderment.I have. That's how I know it's impossible.
And we know who the father is, don't we?No out side controlling entity needed. This Universe is a packaged deal of forever birthing. It's like an infinite womb, always and forever giving birth.
We might have differing understanding of that I suspect.And we know who the father is, don't we?
It means what we have a rational moral mind and we are created to rule over our domain just as God has a rational moral mind and is sovereign. It has nothing to do with our physical body, God does not have a physical body.What's this then?
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
and what is your evidence for what you have posted?? Do you think that Jesus said, you can disregard all Scripture as long as you accept My ideas, or did he say, Matthew 5:17 New International Version (NIV) The Fulfillment of the Law 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. New International Version (NIV) and John 17:17-23 English Standard Version (ESV) 17 Sanctify them[ a] in the truth; your word is truth. "Many people today do not believe in the authority of the Old Testament as Scripture. However, Jesus had some quite different things to say regarding the Old Testament. Here is a brief list of some of what Jesus taught about the Old Testament:" The Old Testament: What did Jesus teach about it? | carm.orgActualy... there is. As long as the ideas attributed to Jesus, are held as sacred... you dont need anything else
What measurement of complexity are you using to define something as too complicated?You can not have crystals without the water or molten rock or whatever is forming crystals. They don't form themselves from nothing.
You can not have adaptation unless something has all the necessary components to adapt. Miss one piece of the puzzle in the whole thing falls apart.
When Darwin came up with his theory it was assumed that a cell was pretty simple. We know better now. At what point do we just admit that life is too complicated to have just happened?
No, ID isn't God meddling. It's God creating a system that he runs.
Not some little god inside creation scurrying around and tweaking things.
You have it backwards. There is no reason why an omni God could not have created the laws of nature including the DNA which is the belief within most mainstream denominations. From what I understand of Christianity acceptance or disbelief of evolution in not important, the real important stuff is a belief in the resurrection and that Christ is the savior.So God allowed for adaptation, by encoding thier DNA, and he created the environment.
It just kicks the can further up the road. Nature didn't create itself and it certainly could not function as it does without a designer.
and what is your evidence for what you have posted?? Do you think that Jesus said, you can disregard all Scripture as long as you accept My ideas, or did he say, Matthew 5:17 New International Version (NIV) The Fulfillment of the Law 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. New International Version (NIV) and John 17:17-23 English Standard Version (ESV) 17 Sanctify them[ a] in the truth; your word is truth. "Many people today do not believe in the authority of the Old Testament as Scripture. However, Jesus had some quite different things to say regarding the Old Testament. Here is a brief list of some of what Jesus taught about the Old Testament:" The Old Testament: What did Jesus teach about it? | carm.org
I did not know that you do not believe that Jesus existed and is a character made up by others. So would historical evidence that Jesus existed as a person change your view?Well, I don't believe that Jesus said anything about it. But I DO believe that some of the individuals who are incorporated into the Jesus character, wanted a more fair and equitable world.
A world without Roman troops stationed in every town. Where rich merchants used their gold to help alleviate the suffering of the poor. Where greed and corruption were a thing of the past.
Of course, you might not care about these things. But I do.
You have it backwards. There is no reason why an omni God could not have created the laws of nature including the DNA which is the belief within most mainstream denominations. From what I understand of Christianity acceptance or disbelief of evolution in not important, the real important stuff is a belief in the resurrection and that Christ is the savior.
Gee, that took some time to get through 36 pages of...discussion. Anyway, there didn't appear to be a lot of posts addressing the problem in the OP. But the above is quite relevant re evolution versus ID.
We can skip the problems that ID has with it being accused as creationism with a false nose and a stick-on moustache trying to sneak in the back door of the science department and perhaps concentrate on the actual difference between the two.
Both attempt to describe the process whereby we came to be as we are at this moment. And for the purpose of answering that question I am quite happy to agree that God exists and is ultimately responsible for literally everything.
As far as ID is concerned, the proponents of that process claim that 'a designer' has caused certain aspects of life to come into existence which wouldn't have done so via natural processes. Those natural processes, as we can agree for the purpose of this post, designed, set up and run by God in a manner that we can describe as being the result of the evolutionary process. Because we aren't discussing evolution v creationism, it's evolution v ID. And ID accepts most of the processes of evolution. They just say that some things cannot have happened 'naturally' but have required 'a designer' to step in and create something that woukdn't have occured 'naturally'.
We're all adults here so let's agree that this unknown and intelligent designer is actually God.
So we are left with the fact that God decided to instigate a process that would result in us. But...couldn't arrange it so that He'd end up with exactly what He wanted (and this from an omnipotent being?). So we are perhaps entirely part of the God ordained natural process (which we call evolution - the means by which God created us) but parts of us - say our eyes for example, required God to step in at some point and 'create' them as opposed to them being part of His natural process.
Have I got that right?
I did not know that you do not believe that Jesus existed and is a character made up by others. So would historical evidence that Jesus existed as a person change your view?
Not in my understanding. In my understanding, the whole process is supernatural in some sense, just because of the fact that it's created and maintained by a supernatural Being. I think they just use the eye as an example because it obviously could not develop by chance.So we are left with the fact that God decided to instigate a process that would result in us. But...couldn't arrange it so that He'd end up with exactly what He wanted (and this from an omnipotent being?). So we are perhaps entirely part of the God ordained natural process (which we call evolution - the means by which God created us) but parts of us - say our eyes for example, required God to step in at some point and 'create' them as opposed to them being part of His natural process.
Have I got that right?
Of course it would.
Just as historical evidence that Jesus was a composite of many gods, heroes, and historical people, changed my view 30 years ago.
Edit: PS, below my name, 5th line down, The word "Atheist"evidence.
So? I was making the point that whatever processes God used, science has no answers other than "Nature did it." Just as we say "God did it." Only nature has to start somewhere. How can it create itself?You have it backwards. There is no reason why an omni God could not have created the laws of nature including the DNA which is the belief within most mainstream denominations. From what I understand of Christianity acceptance or disbelief of evolution in not important, the real important stuff is a belief in the resurrection and that Christ is the savior.
What exactly do you mean when you say "by chance?"Not in my understanding. In my understanding, the whole process is supernatural in some sense, just because of the fact that it's created and maintained by a supernatural Being. I think they just use the eye as an example because it obviously could not develop by chance.
Obvious, as in " facile", again.Not in my understanding. In my understanding, the whole process is supernatural in some sense, just because of the fact that it's created and maintained by a supernatural Being. I think they just use the eye as an example because it obviously could not develop by chance.
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