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Is the fourth commandment done away with? (Moved)

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This is a very old thread.


'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. The seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God.' (Exodus 20:9-10)

'For I am the LORD, I change not.' (Malachi 3:6)

'If ye love me, keep my commandments.' (John 14:15)

Matthew 5:18 .....'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.'



I keep the Sabbath. From Friday evening at sunset, unto Saturday at sunset.






 
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"This is a very old thread.

The last post was March, 2013.

It is still valuable information on how wildly out of context SDA Sabbath keepers have blown the whole thing out of proportion, compared to the Christian emphasis on the Divinity of Christ and his astounding Resurrection.

The Divinity of Christ and the Resurrection are so important to Christianity that is it IMPOSSIBLE to overstate their importance.

By comparison, Sabbath Keeping is of such trifling insignificance to Christianity, it is almost impossible to exaggerate its complete LACK of importance.

In Christian terms, which day you worship on is about as important as whether you buy a Ford or a Hyundai.

The SDA mono-focus on the Sabbath is just devastating and shocking proof of their non-Christian cult status.
 
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Nice find.



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However, the thread was first posted in 2008.

I thought I'd post this link to help anyone who is considering keeping the Sabbath. It's a time zone calculator for sunset, and of course sunrise, so as to know when the hour begins to honor the Sabbath.

Find sunrise and sunset for a location


With regard to your dismissal of the importance of the Sabbath, and the barbs directed at the body of Christ members who refer to themselves as SDA, I think you do a disservice to the Lord's word and the honor that is to be bestowed in remembrance of our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Christ.

Maybe you just don't know enough about the Sabbath and its importance and meaning, remembering that Yeshua delivered his earthly ministry in parables, and much of scripture is allegory so as to give keywords and inspirations to trigger the keys of remembrance and resonance with the innate Holy Spirit that resides within that Kingdom of God that is present and alive in all believers.

I am preparing for Sabbath now, as a Christian, and shall speak with you more if you'd like when it is over.
We are to focus ourselves not on what we can do for God. But to recall what God has done for us.
Amen and Amen.







 
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[SIZE=+3] Keeping Sabbath: Reviving a Christian Practice
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[SIZE=+1]by Dorothy C. Bass

I shall see you after Sabbath. God Be With You all. [/SIZE]






Sabbath facts you refuse to accept -

1. No hiring someone else to work for you on the Sabbath.

2. God canceled the covenant instituting it and therefore also canceled the Sabbath just as His prophets said He would.

3. The Sabbath isn't a requirement in the New Covenant/Testament.

Points 4 and 5 above have absolutely no support.
 
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Nice!!

Reminds me of this --

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[FONT=&quot]Bible texts both NT and OT about God's Commandments - Showing that the TEN Commandments in assigned that title "in scripture"
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10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

What is worse for your speculation - is that John contrasts "LOVE" to the Commandments of God. He does not say "By this we know that we Love God -- if we Love God". Rather John points to obedience to the WORD of God "the Commandments of God" as the sign that we truly to LOVE God. Being at war against his Word is not such a great sign of "loving God" as some had perhaps imagined.

1 John 5
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments
are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3
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Which brings me to the subject of God's TEN Commandments.

[FONT=&quot]Regarding the pro-Sunday sources often listed on this subject:[/FONT]
Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources.

1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7
as listed above - and yet many here on this part of the board object to all of them, and then complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.
 
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This is a very old thread..............................
So?


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Points 4 and 5 above have absolutely no support.
That is not true.

Acts 20:7And the first of the sabbaths, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart the next day, and continued his word until midnight.

God commanded we remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Nothing changes that.

“Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God.” 1 Corinthians 7:19

The Council of Laodicea , in approximately A.D. 364, in the process of writing 59 canon laws authored Canon law XXIX.

“Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.”

Not only did this show a contempt for the Jews, when Jesus was a Jew, but it altered the unalterable commandment of God regarding the Sabbath day, the sixth day, is to be kept holy.
 
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In what way to you keep the Sabbath?


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I meditate, pray, fast, I unplug my phone and all electrical appliances that I can do without. I take long walks and appreciate God's magnificent nature. I bathe just after sunset on Saturday in a ritual washing away of my travels prior to resting from the mundane activities of the material world. A ritual bath with sacred oils and by candlelight.
And at sunset on Sunday I bathe again in scented waters, by candle light, to purify myself for re-entry into the world of the flesh. It is then that I also break my fast.
 
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Interesting. But why not on Friday and Saturday evenings?
 
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No, the prophets said God promised to do so and God (Jesus) said the New Covenant is currently enforce.
 
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
In what way to you keep the Sabbath?
I was talking about the Jewish Fri-Sat sabbath.
Interesting.
But why not on Friday and Saturday evenings?
That is what I am confused on......



'But if this 'No-working-on-the-Sabbath' goes through, where does that leave us?'

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Interesting. But why not on Friday and Saturday evenings?
Being Sunday I clearly misspoke.
Friday and Saturday respectively.
It's been a long day. Were I in observance of Sabbath today I would not be online.

No, the prophets said God promised to do so and God (Jesus) said the New Covenant is currently enforce.
You may believe as you choose to per the prior mentioned council's order.
As for me, I obey God and his Sabbath, which Jesus did not revoke.

 
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The prior council's order has nothing to do with it. They're merely pitting down what is already practiced for over 200 years. The Bible clearly shows Christians primarily worshipping on Sunday as early as 50-55 AD. The Didache or The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles dated as early as 50 andearlier than 150 AD also shows Christians worshipping on Sunday.
 
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Why not unplug them all? Minimum sin is still sin.
 
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Do you unplug your stove? fridge? central air/central heat? digital alarm clocks? PVR's? Router? modem? computer?
 
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I am glad the following sources strongly denounce the heretical Salvation-by-Works system being peddled by the relentless Sabbath Spam posting. These eminent sources stand for precisely the opposite proposition that the Spam Posters claim: They unanimously support Christian Sunday worship and denounce the heretical and non-Christian emphasis on the 7th Day Sabbath :

Baptist Confession of Faith
"From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

Westminster Confession of Faith
"As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
Westminster Confession of Faith

DWIGHT MOODY

"When I was a boy, the Sabbath lasted from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday....."
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"A man ought to turn aside from his ordinary employment one day in seven. There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath."
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"A Christian man was once urged by his employer to work on Sunday. "Does not your Bible say that if your ass falls into a pit on the Sabbath you may pull him out?"

"If working men got up a strike for no work on Sunday, they would have the sympathy of a good many."
How Shall We Spend the Sabbath? by Dwight L. Moody

R.C Sproul

"And whatever was temporary about the Mosaic Sabbath must be left behind as the reality of the intimate communion of the Adamic Sabbath is again experienced in our worship of the risen Savior on the first day of the week — the Lord’s Day.

MATHEW HENRY

"The day and time in which he had this vision: it was the Lord’s day, the day which Christ had separated and set apart for himself, as the eucharist is called the Lord’s supper. Surely this can be no other than the Christian Sabbath, the first day of the week, to be observed in remembrance of the resurrection of Christ. Let us who call him our Lord honour him on his own day, the day which the Lord hath made and in which we ought to rejoice."
The Sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday?

THOMAS WATSON

"Our Christian Sabbath comes in the room of the Jewish Sabbath: it is called the Lord's day, Rev. i.10. from Christ the author of it. Our Sabbath is altered by Christ's own appointment. He arose this day out of the grave, and appeared on it often to His disciples, 1 Cor. xvi. 1: to intimate to them (saith Athanasius) that he transferred the Sabbath to the Lord's day. And St. Austin saith that by Christ's rising on the first day of the week, it was consecrated to be the Christian Sabbath, in remembrance of his resurrection.

The Christian Soldier by Thomas Watson - Part 6 - by sanctifying the Lord' Day and holy conversation


CATHOLIC CATECHISM
2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment
 
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