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Nice find.Here's a thread that is all too indicative of the Adventist depreciation of the Resurrection. It is a thread on the Sabbath in the "Traditional Adventism" forums:
http://www.christianforums.com/t2560580/
I tediously scrolled down through each and every single post and found just four mentions of either "Jesus" or the "Resurrection."
Over 600 posts.
One thing we can be assured of, the Sabbath emphatically does not focus one's mind on the precious savior and his resurrection. We can also be assured beyond all reasonable doubt that Sabbath Keeping has NOTHING to do with Christianity.
"This is a very old thread.
The last post was March, 2013.
It is still valuable information on how wildly out of context SDA Sabbath keepers have blown the whole thing out of proportion, compared to the Christian emphasis on the Divinity of Christ and his astounding Resurrection.
The Divinity of Christ and the Resurrection are so important to Christianity that is it IMPOSSIBLE to overstate their importance.
By comparison, Sabbath Keeping is of such trifling insignificance to Christianity, it is almost impossible to exaggerate its complete LACK of importance.
In Christian terms, which day you worship on is about as important as whether you buy a Ford or a Hyundai.
The SDA mono-focus on the Sabbath is just devastating and shocking proof of their non-Christian cult status.
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This is a very old thread.
'Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. The seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God.' (Exodus 20:9-10)
'For I am the LORD, I change not.' (Malachi 3:6)
'If ye love me, keep my commandments.' (John 14:15)
Matthew 5:18 .....'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.'
I keep the Sabbath. From Friday evening at sunset, unto Saturday at sunset
In what way to you keep the Sabbath?I keep the Sabbath. From Friday evening at sunset, unto Saturday at sunset.
Should Christians keep the seventh day Sabbath holy?
Are we being deceived by not remembering the Sabbath?
The Bible says that the New Covenant will have two aspects. One, God forgives us of our sins, which are the violations of the law, which include the forth commandment. 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Two, God will write His law on our hearts.
We know from Scripture that keeping of the Ten Commandments saves no one, but rather, they point out our need for a Savior. It's God's grace that saves us.
This tells me that we don't keep the commandmends to get saved, but rather, once we are saved we will keep them because we love God and neighbor.
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
Shall we break the law of God because we are now saved?
God tells us that the keeping of the law is motivated by love for God and love for neighbor.
Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?'' Jesus said to him, " `You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.''
How we love God and neighbor is defined in the Ten Commandments.
The first four teach us what pleases God and the last six teaches us what will please others.
How does God write these two aspects of the law on our hearts.
Under the Old Covenant they were commanded to keep the commandments or die.
Under the New Covenant we are free from that fearful aspect of death for not keeping the law and are now under grace, in other words, God frees us from the law and its penalty so that we now are free to obey or not obey without fear. This will open us up to obey God from the heart.
Ephesians 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart,
Look at it this way. Lets say a guy hires a maid, she comes to his house twice a week. The guy puts up a list of chores for her to do, which entail, laundry, dishes, cooking and cleaning. If she does not do these things she will risk the chance of being fired. As she begins to work for him, several months go by when they begin to fall in love and get married. The first thing she does when she comes home from her wedding is she removes the list of chores. Does this mean she will no longer do these things? No, it means she does not need the list to tell her what to do because she loves her husband.
God takes away the law so that we can keep the law because we love Him. If I saw that maid doing all the house work for free I would have to ask why she was doing it. Her response would be, because she Ioves him.
If someone asked me why I was keeping the Sabbath, since we are no longer under the law but under grace, I wound have to say, because I love Him.
The Ten Commandments have not been done away with, we just have a different relationship to them now. They go from being written on stone to being written on our heart through freedom and love.
Listen to how the Ten Commandments are referred to by Paul.
Ephesians 6:2 "Honor your father and mother,'' which is the first commandment with promise:
Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
Listen to how Jesus refers back to them.
Luke 18:18-21 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?'' So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. "You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery,' `Do not murder,' `Do not steal,' `Do not bear false witness,' `Honor your father and your mother.' '' And he said, "All these I have kept from my youth.''
Jesus was even concerned about the Sabbath forty years after His resurrection.
Matthew 24:16-20 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. "Let him who is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house. "And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those with nursing babies in those days! "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
Jesus even said He was Lord of the Sabbath and how the Sabbath was made for man.
These are not words that do away with the law or the Sabbath, but rather, confirm the Sabbath and the law.
What are your thoughts?
So?This is a very old thread..............................
That is not true.Points 4 and 5 above have absolutely no support.
I meditate, pray, fast, I unplug my phone and all electrical appliances that I can do without. I take long walks and appreciate God's magnificent nature. I bathe just after sunset on Saturday in a ritual washing away of my travels prior to resting from the mundane activities of the material world. A ritual bath with sacred oils and by candlelight.In what way to you keep the Sabbath?
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Interesting. But why not on Friday and Saturday evenings?I meditate, pray, fast, I unplug my phone and all electrical appliances that I can do without. I take long walks and appreciate God's magnificent nature. I bathe just after sunset on Saturday in a ritual washing away of my travels prior to resting from the mundane activities of the material world. A ritual bath with sacred oils and by candlelight.
And at sunset on Sunday I bathe again in scented waters, by candle light, to purify myself for re-entry into the world of the flesh. It is then that I also break my fast.
No, the prophets said God promised to do so and God (Jesus) said the New Covenant is currently enforce.That is not true.
Acts 20:7And the first of the sabbaths, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart the next day, and continued his word until midnight.
God commanded we remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Nothing changes that.
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19
The Council of Laodicea , in approximately A.D. 364, in the process of writing 59 canon laws authored Canon law XXIX.
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Not only did this show a contempt for the Jews, when Jesus was a Jew, but it altered the unalterable commandment of God regarding the Sabbath day, the sixth day, is to be kept holy.
I was talking about the Jewish Fri-Sat sabbath.I meditate, pray, fast, I unplug my phone and all electrical appliances that I can do without. I take long walks and appreciate God's magnificent nature. I bathe just after sunset on Saturday in a ritual washing away of my travels prior to resting from the mundane activities of the material world. A ritual bath with sacred oils and by candlelight.
And at sunset on Sunday I bathe again in scented waters, by candle light, to purify myself for re-entry into the world of the flesh. It is then that I also break my fast.
That is what I am confused on......Interesting.
But why not on Friday and Saturday evenings?
Being Sunday I clearly misspoke.Interesting. But why not on Friday and Saturday evenings?
You may believe as you choose to per the prior mentioned council's order.No, the prophets said God promised to do so and God (Jesus) said the New Covenant is currently enforce.
I was talking about the Jewish Fri-Sat sabbath.
That is what I am confused on......
'But if this 'No-working-on-the-Sabbath' goes through, where does that leave us?'
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The prior council's order has nothing to do with it. They're merely pitting down what is already practiced for over 200 years. The Bible clearly shows Christians primarily worshipping on Sunday as early as 50-55 AD. The Didache or The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles dated as early as 50 andearlier than 150 AD also shows Christians worshipping on Sunday.Being Sunday I clearly misspoke.
Friday and Saturday respectively.
It's been a long day.Were I in observance of Sabbath today I would not be online.
You may believe as you choose to per the prior mentioned council's order.
As for me, I obey God and his Sabbath, which Jesus did not revoke.
I meditate, pray, fast, I unplug my phone and all electrical appliances that I can do without. I take long walks and appreciate God's magnificent nature. I bathe just after sunset on Saturday in a ritual washing away of my travels prior to resting from the mundane activities of the material world. A ritual bath with sacred oils and by candlelight.
And at sunset on Sunday I bathe again in scented waters, by candle light, to purify myself for re-entry into the world of the flesh. It is then that I also break my fast.
I meditate, pray, fast, I unplug my phone and all electrical appliances that I can do without. I take long walks and appreciate God's magnificent nature. I bathe just after sunset on Saturday in a ritual washing away of my travels prior to resting from the mundane activities of the material world. A ritual bath with sacred oils and by candlelight.
And at sunset on Sunday I bathe again in scented waters, by candle light, to purify myself for re-entry into the world of the flesh. It is then that I also break my fast.
, I obey God and his Sabbath, which Jesus did not revoke.
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