I have a friend whos dad is a preacher, and I was discussing the bible/bible prophecy with him a few days ago. Let me also say that 1) I am not a Christian and 2) I hold the man in very high regard. He has a PhD and is one of the most intelligent men i have ever met. As we got further into discussion he told me that I would not die of old age (I am 18) because he believed that Jesus would come back before myself and my generation died of old age, and he started showing me things in revelation that seem like they are coming true right now. I was just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on this. Do any other christians also agree that we are near the end of times?
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Is The End Near?
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I personally think that no one "knows" when, there are many places in the Bible that say we wont know when he is coming back, but it is coming.
I had this very question, so I did some asking and research, and the best example I found was here:
[BIBLE]Mat 24:3 And while he was seated on the Mountain of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, Make clear to us, when will these things be? and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus said to them in answer, Take care that you are not tricked.
Mat 24:5 For people will come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and a number will be turned from the true way through them.
Mat 24:6 And news will come to you of wars and talk of wars: do not be troubled, for these things have to be; but it is still not the end.
Mat 24:7 For nation will be moved against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and men will be without food, and the earth will be shaking in different places;
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the first of the troubles.
Mat 24:9 Then they will be cruel to you, and will put you to death: and you will be hated by all nations because of my name.
Mat 24:10 And numbers of people will be turned from the right way, and will give one another up and have hate for one another.
Mat 24:11 And a number of false prophets will come, causing error.
Mat 24:12 And because wrongdoing will be increased, the love of most people will become cold.
Mat 24:13 But he who goes through to the end will get salvation.
Mat 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be given through all the world for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come.
Mat 24:15 When, then, you see in the holy place the unclean thing which makes destruction, of which word was given by Daniel the prophet let this be clear to the reader,
Mat 24:16 Then let those who are in Judaea go in flight to the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let not him who is on the house-top go down to take anything out of his house:
Mat 24:18 And let not him who is in the field go back to get his coat.
Mat 24:19 But it will be hard for women who are with child and for those with babies at the breast in those days.
Mat 24:20 And say a prayer that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
Mat 24:21 Because in those days there will be great sorrow, such as there has not been from the start of the world till now, or ever will be.
Mat 24:22 And if those days had not been made short there would have been no salvation for any, but because of the saints those days will be made short.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man says to you, See, here is the Christ, or, Here; do not put faith in him;
Mat 24:24 For there will come up false Christs, and false prophets, who will do great signs and wonders; so that if possible even the saints might be tricked.
Mat 24:25 See, I have made it clear to you before it comes about.
Mat 24:26 If, then, they say to you, See, he is in the waste land; go not out: See, he is in the inner rooms; put no faith in it.
Mat 24:27 Because as in a thunderstorm the bright light coming from the east is seen even in the west; so will be the coming of the Son of man.
Mat 24:28 Wherever the dead body is, there will the eagles come together.
Mat 24:29 But straight away, after the trouble of those days, the sun will be made dark and the moon will not give her light and the stars will come down from heaven and the powers of heaven will be moved:
Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of man will be seen in heaven: and then all the nations of the earth will have sorrow, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he will send out his angels with a great sound of a horn, and they will get his saints together from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[/BIBLE]
If you dont understand this please ask, I will do my best to help you further as will many other wonderful people here! Good luck
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I had this very question, so I did some asking and research, and the best example I found was here:
[BIBLE]Mat 24:3 And while he was seated on the Mountain of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, Make clear to us, when will these things be? and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus said to them in answer, Take care that you are not tricked.
Mat 24:5 For people will come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and a number will be turned from the true way through them.
Mat 24:6 And news will come to you of wars and talk of wars: do not be troubled, for these things have to be; but it is still not the end.
Mat 24:7 For nation will be moved against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and men will be without food, and the earth will be shaking in different places;
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the first of the troubles.
Mat 24:9 Then they will be cruel to you, and will put you to death: and you will be hated by all nations because of my name.
Mat 24:10 And numbers of people will be turned from the right way, and will give one another up and have hate for one another.
Mat 24:11 And a number of false prophets will come, causing error.
Mat 24:12 And because wrongdoing will be increased, the love of most people will become cold.
Mat 24:13 But he who goes through to the end will get salvation.
Mat 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be given through all the world for a witness to all nations; and then the end will come.
Mat 24:15 When, then, you see in the holy place the unclean thing which makes destruction, of which word was given by Daniel the prophet let this be clear to the reader,
Mat 24:16 Then let those who are in Judaea go in flight to the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let not him who is on the house-top go down to take anything out of his house:
Mat 24:18 And let not him who is in the field go back to get his coat.
Mat 24:19 But it will be hard for women who are with child and for those with babies at the breast in those days.
Mat 24:20 And say a prayer that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
Mat 24:21 Because in those days there will be great sorrow, such as there has not been from the start of the world till now, or ever will be.
Mat 24:22 And if those days had not been made short there would have been no salvation for any, but because of the saints those days will be made short.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man says to you, See, here is the Christ, or, Here; do not put faith in him;
Mat 24:24 For there will come up false Christs, and false prophets, who will do great signs and wonders; so that if possible even the saints might be tricked.
Mat 24:25 See, I have made it clear to you before it comes about.
Mat 24:26 If, then, they say to you, See, he is in the waste land; go not out: See, he is in the inner rooms; put no faith in it.
Mat 24:27 Because as in a thunderstorm the bright light coming from the east is seen even in the west; so will be the coming of the Son of man.
Mat 24:28 Wherever the dead body is, there will the eagles come together.
Mat 24:29 But straight away, after the trouble of those days, the sun will be made dark and the moon will not give her light and the stars will come down from heaven and the powers of heaven will be moved:
Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of man will be seen in heaven: and then all the nations of the earth will have sorrow, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he will send out his angels with a great sound of a horn, and they will get his saints together from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[/BIBLE]
If you dont understand this please ask, I will do my best to help you further as will many other wonderful people here! Good luck
- Justin
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That's right, NO ONE knows when the end will come. Don't allow false prophets to lead you astray.
We've been living in the last days since Christ ascended into heaven. All generations are curious as to whether theirs is the last. But none know for certain.
We've been living in the last days since Christ ascended into heaven. All generations are curious as to whether theirs is the last. But none know for certain.
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I agree that nobody knows, but I think it is very possible. Jesus said we wouldnt know the day or hour, but we would know the season. My viewpoint is that it is near, but by near I mean possibly within 20 years, probably not this year.
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IMO.. I hope you are right in a sense. We as christians will be going home to the kingdom of God but at the same time, I just pray, that if it is soon... that the Lord grant us speed to spread the word to every ear. So we may all be taken on that day. 
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The Bible also says that we, those who are looking for Him, would not be caught like a thief in the night. Those who are spiritually discerning and know the Bible can see the signs just like a person can see and redict the weathers change.
1Th 5:4 But you aren’t in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won’t be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief.
One of the greatest signs is the gathering into a nation, one more time, of Israel. All throughout the Bible, God promises to reunite the two houses of Israel and restore them to the complete land which runs from the Nile river to the euphrates in Iraq. Look where the attention of the world is today, if not where the bible says that it would be in the last days. The scripture says we may not know the "day" or the "hour", but the months are designated by the feasts of Israel and the years counted in the bible. If not for the change of time from the Hebrew calender and the many mistakes made by man in recording time and history, it would almost be possible to discern, exactly, to the year and month. Those numbers are counted in scripture by Daniel and in Revelations, but still, it is difficult to say for sure what will start the chain of events that make up the last seven of Daniel's seventy seven weeks of history before all things are restored.
I think it would be wrong to predict the day or hour when these things would happen, but like Paul says in his letter to the Church in Thessalonica, the Lord's return should not take us unaware like it will the rest of the world. I think your friend, that you respect, may just be right if you are only 18 years old. You may get to see the physical kingdom of God come to earth with the second coming of Jesus. Of course, not all people even believe in a second coming within the various denominations, but I am of those that do.
Mr 13:32 "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
1Th 5:4 But you aren’t in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won’t be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief.
One of the greatest signs is the gathering into a nation, one more time, of Israel. All throughout the Bible, God promises to reunite the two houses of Israel and restore them to the complete land which runs from the Nile river to the euphrates in Iraq. Look where the attention of the world is today, if not where the bible says that it would be in the last days. The scripture says we may not know the "day" or the "hour", but the months are designated by the feasts of Israel and the years counted in the bible. If not for the change of time from the Hebrew calender and the many mistakes made by man in recording time and history, it would almost be possible to discern, exactly, to the year and month. Those numbers are counted in scripture by Daniel and in Revelations, but still, it is difficult to say for sure what will start the chain of events that make up the last seven of Daniel's seventy seven weeks of history before all things are restored.
I think it would be wrong to predict the day or hour when these things would happen, but like Paul says in his letter to the Church in Thessalonica, the Lord's return should not take us unaware like it will the rest of the world. I think your friend, that you respect, may just be right if you are only 18 years old. You may get to see the physical kingdom of God come to earth with the second coming of Jesus. Of course, not all people even believe in a second coming within the various denominations, but I am of those that do.
Mr 13:32 "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
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digstar said:
It's true that the book of Revelation gives us signs to look for for the return of Christ, but we need to be careful in using the Bible as a checklist, trying to figure out when Jesus is coming back.
The Bible purposely does not tell us when Jesus is coming back and even Jesus told us that it wasn't for Him to say in His humanity (of course, in His divinity was another story).
Honestly? We could get into the rebuilding of the temple or the repatriation of the Jews or the rise of the Anti-Christ - and all of those things are important, in their own time, but the most important thing for you and me isn't that we know when Jesus is coming back, but that we're ready to meet Him whenever He finally does come back.
Are you?
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Hi digstar:
Although I am not dogmatic on this point (as no one honestly knows), I believe that the Rapture could happen in this generation. Major prophecies like those in Ezekiel 37 which talk about the regathering of the Jews at Israel (which happened post-World War II) and them retaking Jeursalem have been fulfilled and are very important prophecies that must be fulfilled prior to the end times events.
According to Pastor Greg Laurie (who has spent quite some time studying end time prophecy), there is not one end time prophecy - that he can see - that has not been fulfilled for the rapture of the church to happen.
But one thing should be made clear: if this is not the generation that will experience death then this does not mean that the Bible is wrong. It just means that the interpretations of the people who claimed that it would happen in this generation is wrong.
One thing I guess we can say with a lot of certainity is that we are closer to the return of Christ than what we ever have been before.
digstar said:
Although I am not dogmatic on this point (as no one honestly knows), I believe that the Rapture could happen in this generation. Major prophecies like those in Ezekiel 37 which talk about the regathering of the Jews at Israel (which happened post-World War II) and them retaking Jeursalem have been fulfilled and are very important prophecies that must be fulfilled prior to the end times events.
According to Pastor Greg Laurie (who has spent quite some time studying end time prophecy), there is not one end time prophecy - that he can see - that has not been fulfilled for the rapture of the church to happen.
But one thing should be made clear: if this is not the generation that will experience death then this does not mean that the Bible is wrong. It just means that the interpretations of the people who claimed that it would happen in this generation is wrong.
One thing I guess we can say with a lot of certainity is that we are closer to the return of Christ than what we ever have been before.
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No one knows the day or hour? Does that mean we could know the month and year?
I am asking seriously.
It seems to end is "near"; like another said-the regathering of israel into a state again is the sign of the end of the age.
Some thought that since 40 years is a generation, and Israel came to life in 1948, Jesus would have to return by 1988.
But some thought that sign it was 1967 that Israel reclaimed Jerusalem, then 2007....
I read a online newsletter called lasttrumpetministries, by a David Meyer.
He writes on signs and such. its pretty informative.
I am asking seriously.
It seems to end is "near"; like another said-the regathering of israel into a state again is the sign of the end of the age.
Some thought that since 40 years is a generation, and Israel came to life in 1948, Jesus would have to return by 1988.
But some thought that sign it was 1967 that Israel reclaimed Jerusalem, then 2007....
I read a online newsletter called lasttrumpetministries, by a David Meyer.
He writes on signs and such. its pretty informative.
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As far as I'm concerned... we know nothing, other then what people concieve from the Bible. There are many things said and many ways people read them. Nothing is certain... everything you hear is how that particular person understood it and thinks about it.HowardDean said:
Nothing more, nothing less.
All we can do here now, is wait for Him.
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digstar said:
Yes, the end is near.....much nearer than it was just yesterday. Jesus will come again......and those that are not saved will be left behind. God doesn't want for any person to go to hell - He only made it for the devil and his angels. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
No one knows when Jesus will come again...but He will because He promised that He would. Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
Hope this helps you, my friend.
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One of the precursors to signify the events that are/were to take place in the last days was in 1948 when Israel was reborn as a nation. Certain things 'could not' take place UNTIL that happened. It did, and those things have already begun.
Isaiah said that in the last days, 'right will be wrong and wrong will be right'. Think about that.
Is abortion wrong or right?
Is gay marriage wrong or right?
Is divorce wrong or right?
There will be 2 men killed in Jerusalem and the ENTIRE world will see their dead bodies paraded through the streets. That would not have been possible 40 years ago. Through sattellite comms. today there will be no problem with that. It's already been done sveral times - Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, Princess Diana)
Ezekial says that Iran, N. Africa, Syria, and Russia will attack Israel. Just watch the news !!
Consider this - That cannot happen as long as America backs Israel.
Jesus said, Don't be deceived, many false prophets will come in His name, consider this - Jim Jones, David Koresh, and many many others are out there - just not as well known at a national level (yet).
Isaiah said that in the last days, 'right will be wrong and wrong will be right'. Think about that.
Is abortion wrong or right?
Is gay marriage wrong or right?
Is divorce wrong or right?
There will be 2 men killed in Jerusalem and the ENTIRE world will see their dead bodies paraded through the streets. That would not have been possible 40 years ago. Through sattellite comms. today there will be no problem with that. It's already been done sveral times - Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, Princess Diana)
Ezekial says that Iran, N. Africa, Syria, and Russia will attack Israel. Just watch the news !!
Consider this - That cannot happen as long as America backs Israel.
Jesus said, Don't be deceived, many false prophets will come in His name, consider this - Jim Jones, David Koresh, and many many others are out there - just not as well known at a national level (yet).
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digstar said:
Yes i believe the signs of the end times (just before the return of the Messiah Jesus) are with us now. World history is coming to a climax. the natural world is heading for a melt down and the love of many is growing cold and hate filled radicals are leading their peoples to destruction. But as a believer in Jesus i know that all these things must happen before the Messiah Jesus returns. What ever happens i know i have eternity with Jesus.
I hope you will come to believe Jesus as well. Without His peace in our hearts, how will anyone be able to face what is to come.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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Absolutley Jesus is coming and coming soon, their are some events yet to transpire but as a christian who wants to be alive to see Jesus coming in the clouds I also know that today may be my last day and my probation will be over. So be ready now for tommorrow is not guareenteed any man.
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2 Peter 3:8-17 tells us this, "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen."
We don't know when Jesus will be returning, but there are signs to watch for. Every generation believes that they are living in the times when Jesus will return. But the important thing is that christians are to be holy and not get caught up in the worldly ways. We are to be ready.
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Yes, We are getting closer. The Bible says that the anti-christ can't come until the church is taken in the Rapture. There is 7yrs before the 2nd coming of Christ after this takes place.digstar said:
The signs are saying the 2nd coming is near so then we assume the rapture is near. There is only one thing that says must take place before the rapture and that is a Falling away from the faith. This is happening today.
Yea I think he is right on the money with it.
I can explain more if you need more proof's.
Bro Malone
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