Is the Cross an Idol???

[Zaac]

Here you go.
jeremiah 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
jeremiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
jeremiah 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And I say again, you referring to the MISUSE of the cross. I'm referring to people who do not bow down before a cross and worship it, but who simply use it as a reminder of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

 

[Zaac]

Thats not using the mud to worship that was to heal.

And yet again, I don't know of any Baptists who use the crosses they wear to worship. I don't know of any Baptist churches in which there are crosses that there is any worshipping of a cross.

Indeed there are denominations who do. But there are many who simply use the cross as a reminder and there is NOTHING Biblically wrong with this.

 

[Logicalthinker]

And I say again, you referring to the MISUSE of the cross. I'm referring to people who do not bow down before a cross and worship it, but who simply use it as a reminder of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

If the heathens do it, than we are not to.

 

[Logicalthinker]

And yet again, I don't know of any Baptists who use the crosses they wear to worship. I don't know of any Baptist churches in which there are crosses that there is any worshipping of a cross.

Indeed there are denominations who do. But there are many who simply use the cross as a reminder and there is NOTHING Biblically wrong with this.

Do baptist's worship Tummaz.

 

[Logicalthinker]

And I say again, you referring to the MISUSE of the cross. I'm referring to people who do not bow down before a cross and worship it, but who simply use it as a reminder of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

notice it says nor serve them.

 

[Zaac]

Yes, but I don't pray to it or hold it in my hand like it has power. Plus it does not represent Religion only marriage.

For Baptists, we don't pray to the cross or hold it in our hands like it has power. Like your wedding ring, it is symbolic and nothing more. It does not represent anything other than a reminder of what Jesus Christ did.

The cross holds union to Idolatry and the god Tummaz.

Yet the same thing can be said about your wedding ring or anything else that is used as an idol.

You're referring to how the Catholic church and some others use the cross. Not everybody uses it that way.

 

[Zaac]

jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

If the heathens do it, than we are not to.

You're taking Scripture out of context.

Heathens are worshipping a cross. We ARE not.

 

[Logicalthinker]

I can find more on why not to have a cross, than why we should in the bible.

 

[Zaac]

Do baptist's worship Tummaz.

Nope.

 

[Zaac]

exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

notice it says nor serve them.

What Baptist who wear a cross are serving the cross?

 

[Zaac]

I can find more on why not to have a cross, than why we should in the bible.

But the Bible doesn't say anything about wearing a cross.
Nor does it say anything about swaying from side to side when singing hymns.
Nor does it say anything about going in front of the church for an altar call.

These are just ways people have chosen to worship. Or to show their acknowledgement.

If God has not said that something is wrong, don't try to make it into a wrong just because YOU don't want to do it. It goes back to the principle of unclean food of which we spoke before.

 

[Logicalthinker]

For Baptists, we don't pray to the cross or hold it in our hands like it has power. Like your wedding ring, it is symbolic and nothing more. It does not represent anything other than a reminder of what Jesus Christ did.



Yet the same thing can be said about your wedding ring or anything else that is used as an idol.

You're referring to how the Catholic church and some others use the cross. Not everybody uses it that way.

I know not everyone uses it that way. But thats how it started and now here it is and no one ever questions it. It just is. The church Peter started did not have a cross. Not until the Romans. Jesus did not command it, and Satan loves to trick us. I gave many versus and a history link on Tummaz to show Christians that the cross is wrong. I am lead by the shepard not the wolf in sheeps clothing. Now prove to me that it is needed and is not a ploy of Satan.

 

[Logicalthinker]

You're taking Scripture out of context.

Heathens are worshipping a cross. We ARE not.

Cast out what is unclean.

 

[Logicalthinker]

Nope.

Than why do they have his symbol hanging in Baptist churches or any church in fact.

 

[Logicalthinker]

What Baptist who wear a cross are serving the cross?

But you wear an unholy symbol. That of Tummaz.

 

[Zaac]

I know not everyone uses it that way. But thats how it started and now here it is and no one ever questions it. It just is.

But it should be questioned if people are using it in an unGodly manner.

The church Peter started did not have a cross. Not until the Romans. Jesus did not command it, and Satan loves to trick us.

How is it a trick of satan to wear something that is a reminder of Jesus's sacrifice?

Now it may be a trick of satan that praying and bowing before a cross as though it possesses the power of Jesus is useful. But simply wearing one?

I gave many versus and a history link on Tummaz to show Christians that the cross is wrong. I am lead by the shepard not the wolf in sheeps clothing. Now prove to me that it is needed and is not a ploy of Satan.

You gave many verses that show that IDOL WORSHIP is wrong. You have not shown that there is anything wrong with wearing something as a symbolic reminder of what Jesus Christ did.

It is needed by some folks to serve as a reminder. The proof lies in looking at those who wear it and asking them why they are wearing it.

 

[Logicalthinker]

But the Bible doesn't say anything about wearing a cross.
Nor does it say anything about swaying from side to side when singing hymns.
Nor does it say anything about going in front of the church for an altar call.

These are just ways people have chosen to worship. Or to show their acknowledgement.

If God has not said that something is wrong, don't try to make it into a wrong just because YOU don't want to do it. It goes back to the principle of unclean food of which we spoke before.

But he did say it was wrong. Did you not read the versus that I posted. Jeremiah and exodus. Than showed the origan of the cross. Let go of what you have been taught and look for the truth. Now once again prove to me that Jesus would want this and that this is not a ploy of Satan?

 

[Zaac]

Cast out what is unclean.

How is a cross that is not being used in an unGodly manner unclean? Go back to the meat example.

 

[Logicalthinker]

But it should be questioned if people are using it in an unGodly manner.




How is it a trick of satan to wear something that is a reminder of Jesus's sacrifice?

Now it may be a trick of satan that praying and bowing before a cross as though it possesses the power of Jesus is useful. But simply wearing one?



You gave many verses that show that IDOL WORSHIP is wrong. You have not shown that there is anything wrong with wearing something as a symbolic reminder of what Jesus Christ did.

It is needed by some folks to serve as a reminder. The proof lies in looking at those who wear it and asking them why they are wearing it.

Once again you dismissed the whole Tummaz issue. Would Jesus want to wear his symbol.

 

[Zaac]

Than why do they have his symbol hanging in Baptist churches or any church in fact.

It might be his symbol in your church, but in ours, it is a symbol of what Jesus Christ did.

Now you're continuing to make this which is wrong for you wrong for everyone when God's Word has not said anything about it.

If it cauases you to stumble by using a cross, then do not use one. But do not keep telling people that there is something wrong with them wearing or displaying crosses in remembrance of what Jesus did because you have no Biblical reason to do so.