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I already have a good idea of how TEs see this, but I'm not entirely clear about creationists. So vote and tell us!
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Is the Creation account important to the Gospel?
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The story of Creation establishes God as the Creator Father, the One to whom all things belong and which all things flow, including especially grace.
The Creation story is important in not only teaching salvation, but also a whole host of other things in the Gospel as well.
Tomorrow, weather permitting, I be part of a group of people talking to our church about finances and stewardship. This isn't your typical stewardship/fundraiser drive thing, but rather an attempt to establish to whom we owe thanks for our blessings.
The entire basis of stewarship if predicated on the Genesis Creation story, so I will be talking about Genesis tomorrow as a part of my testimony.
Vossler, I don't know if this is what you expected out of a TE, but there it is.
The Creation story is important in not only teaching salvation, but also a whole host of other things in the Gospel as well.
Tomorrow, weather permitting, I be part of a group of people talking to our church about finances and stewardship. This isn't your typical stewardship/fundraiser drive thing, but rather an attempt to establish to whom we owe thanks for our blessings.
The entire basis of stewarship if predicated on the Genesis Creation story, so I will be talking about Genesis tomorrow as a part of my testimony.
Vossler, I don't know if this is what you expected out of a TE, but there it is.
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There is a reason that the first statement of the Nicene Creed is that God is the creator of the heavens and the earth, both things seen and things unseen. Now while modern Creationism can be serperate issues (fossils, dating methods, darwinism...etc) God thru the agency of the Word of God creating the heavens and the earth cannot (see John 1; Hebrews 11).
The creation of man, living creatures or the universe are never described as a gradual process. The gospel proclaims light from the darkness raised Christ from the dead. The same light that broke the darkness of primordial earth, the same glory that filled the tabranacle and the temple, the same light that transfigured Christ, the same light that will fill the skys at the return of Christ.
Even the most cursory look at the simularities between John 1 and Genesis 1 will show that they are inextricable linked.
Grace and peace,
Mark
The creation of man, living creatures or the universe are never described as a gradual process. The gospel proclaims light from the darkness raised Christ from the dead. The same light that broke the darkness of primordial earth, the same glory that filled the tabranacle and the temple, the same light that transfigured Christ, the same light that will fill the skys at the return of Christ.
Even the most cursory look at the simularities between John 1 and Genesis 1 will show that they are inextricable linked.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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No, this wasn't what I was expecting at all.chaoschristian said:
Then again, I wasn't expecting any TEs to participate either.
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vossler said:Then again, I wasn't expecting any TEs to participate either.
I took some liberty, figuring this could be an opportunity for fellowship rather than debate.
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I hate to nitpick but are we talking about the "why" of Creation or the "how" of Creation? Is "the Creation story"
the fact that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them?
or the "fact" that He did it in 6 days 6000 years ago?
If the first, then I'm all for the first option. If the second, then I'm evenly split between the last two.
the fact that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them?
or the "fact" that He did it in 6 days 6000 years ago?
If the first, then I'm all for the first option. If the second, then I'm evenly split between the last two.
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Both!shernren said:
Given that this question was for Creationists to answer it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.shernren said:
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I have to know that the Bible is right all of the time if I am to accept the fact that Jesus died for me. It is a stretch to believe that God died to save me in the humanity of Jesus if other miracles found in the Bible are not true.
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Either the scriptures are truthfull and reliable or they are not. When God or Jesus are speaking mediorically, they say so. Therefore, the truth of the story of creation as presented in Genisis is just as important as any other truth in the Bible.
Additionally, the gospels refer to Adam and how sin entered into the world by one man, and death by sin, and one man, Christ, freed us from that sin. The gospel story is symbolized in the Garden of Eden, Adam is refered to in the gospels... it is clearly not meant as a metafore.
It is neither more or less important than any other truth in the Bible. It is all important.
Additionally, the gospels refer to Adam and how sin entered into the world by one man, and death by sin, and one man, Christ, freed us from that sin. The gospel story is symbolized in the Garden of Eden, Adam is refered to in the gospels... it is clearly not meant as a metafore.
It is neither more or less important than any other truth in the Bible. It is all important.
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The meta-narrative of scripture is: Creation->Fall->Redemption->Consumation
It's like asking which wing is more important on a plane, the right one or the left one.
It's like asking which wing is more important on a plane, the right one or the left one.
I presume you mean metaphorically. God doesn't tell us that 1 & 2 Kings is historic literature, it is obvious from the genre of literature it is.
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The Gospel is the good news. The good news is that Jesus came to save his people from their sins. But first the bad news: In Adam all die. We are sinners because we are descendents of sinners, we live in a world that is subject to vanity.
The whole idea of the gospel is meaningless and something other than the message of the New Testament apart from a frame of reference that includes the idea that men are in rebellion against God since the fall and need to be restored. Simply put: There can be no good news accepted until the bad news is admitted.
Paul faced this dearth of foundational understanding when he preached in Athens to pagans lacking the biblical starting points of a very good creation that was fallen as a result of sin. He had to then first explain the bad news before he could present the good news.
The whole idea of the gospel is meaningless and something other than the message of the New Testament apart from a frame of reference that includes the idea that men are in rebellion against God since the fall and need to be restored. Simply put: There can be no good news accepted until the bad news is admitted.
Paul faced this dearth of foundational understanding when he preached in Athens to pagans lacking the biblical starting points of a very good creation that was fallen as a result of sin. He had to then first explain the bad news before he could present the good news.
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If you tear away at the validity of the beginning of the Bible, then you tear away at the rest of it too. When people start picking and choosing what parts they will accept, and which parts they won't, they have essentially created their own truth. How can you say you accept Christ? On what do you base this on?
Rom 10:17
7 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Rom 10:17
7 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Romanseight2005 said:If you tear away at the validity of the beginning of the Bible, then you tear away at the rest of it too.
I totally agree with this... I believe that the story of creation is extremelly important, and even more so when you start to look into the culture of the time, all of a sudden it makes so much more logical sense... at least personally it did for me, took my belief of the Word to another dimension...
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