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Is the Bible Without Error?

Is the Bible Without Error?


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redleghunter

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Yet although they are wrong about God, their theological ideas are still found within inspired words of the Bible. Why did God inspire false ideas about Himself to be recorded in Scripture?
If we read all of Job, God points out their error.

Satan speaks in Holy Scriptures. He was rebuked as well for exercising eisegesis.

The recording of sin and human error in Scriptures does not make Scriptures in error. It points out man's fallen state, disobedience and why God sent His Son Jesus Christ to atone for our sins.
 
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If a person denies the doctrine of inerrancy, they have nothing to base their faith in Christ on, so they are likely not a Christian.

If someone is basing their faith in Christ upon the inerrancy of the Bible, rather than on the Gospel, then they are building their faith upon a foundation of sand.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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According to the secrets of the Bible, which is a show that I watched, there are mistranslations and it contradicts itself.

I wouldn't recommend relying on "edutainment" television programs (particularly ones that title themselves things like "secrets of the Bible") for serious scholarly information. There are legitimate criticisms to be made in some, isolated cases with some translations or nitpicking this or that; but it's hardly anything sensational and is largely boring academic minutia.

There are no great secrets or conspiracies to hide the true meaning of Scripture from the masses, nor are Bibles so horribly mistranslated that we're not getting the whole thing. Keep this in mind: there are still people who more-or-less have continued to speak or use the languages in which the Bible was written, there are communities which have continued to speak those languages and use original language or near-original language versions of Scripture; and further the sorts of people who make it their work to translate works like the Bible have dedicated years to the study of those languages, and entire groups and committees work together for this purpose.

You can be generally confident that when you pick up a translation of the Bible, almost regardless of which one, you're getting a pretty faithful attempt at rendering the source text into your own language.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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That was very informative. And thank you for letting me know. I have always thought that the Bible was the true word of God.
 
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The Contradictions

"...More significant, though less mentioned, is violating the context of belief. Christian understanding is a synthesis of many beliefs, and Biblical teachings are often interpreted through this background belief which has been synthesized. Such a synthesis may include other facts, not directly related to the contradiction in question, but nevertheless, relevant. When the critic proposes a contradiction, he ought to do so within the context of this background belief. By failing to do this, he merely imposes alien concepts into the text as if they belong. This error is common when the critic tries to cite contradictions related to doctrine or beliefs about the nature of God. For example, orthodox Christians believe in the Trinity. One could argue about this concept elsewhere, but trying to impose contradictions by ignoring Trinitarian belief violates the context provided by the Christian's background belief.

Or consider a mundane example. Say that Joe is recorded as saying that Sam is not his son. But elsewhere, he is recorded as saying that Sam is his son. An obvious contradiction, right? But what if one's background belief about Joe and Sam includes the belief that Sam is Joe's adopted son? By ignoring the context this belief provides, one perceives contradictions where there are none.

The critic sometimes assumes that the Biblical accounts are exhaustive in all details and intended to be precise. This is rarely the case. As such, the critic builds on a faulty assumption and perceives contradictions where none exist.

Also related to the context problem: Let's say that the only records of Joe speaking about Sam are the two cases where he affirms and denies that Sam is his son. Certainly Joe said many other things in his life, but they were not recorded -- including the fact that he adopted a boy and named him Sam.

Another real-life case concerns a newspaper report which lists the time of birth of twin babies. The first was born at 1:40 AM, and second was born at 1:10 AM. If this account did not have the added detail that the birth occurred the during the night in which Daylight Savings ended, it would appear to be a real contradiction/error. You have to know the whole story, or at least have a plausible explanation.

Since the accounts in the Bible are rarely intended as exhaustive and precise descriptions, it would be prudent to see if differing accounts complement, rather than contradict one another.

The critic seems to assume that the Bible is written in one genre: a literal and descriptive account. While the Bible does indeed contain literal and descriptive accounts (which, of course, are not exhaustive in details), it also contains many other styles of composition: the Proverbs list "rules of thumb," the Psalms communicate through poetry, many teachings/prophecies are in the form of hyperbole and metaphor, parables contain deeper messages, etc. Since the Bible is actually many books of different genres by several different authors, the critic's assumption leads her astray if it is used to create contradictions.

Finally, the critic engages in black and white either/or thinking when a both/and approach seems to be called for. This can be tricky, so let me set up my case by using one of the supposed contradictions cited:

"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself." [Pr 26:4]

"Answer of fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes." [Pr 26:5]

The first thing to note is that these seemingly contradictory teachings are right next to each other. Could the writer of Proverbs be so stupid as to not notice this? I hardly think so. In fact, I think it is very illuminating that these teachings are closely tied. They highlight the fact that Biblical admonitions need not fall under the "either/or" criteria, but can be more properly understood in terms of "both/and." In fact, I have often found these two teachings from Proverbs quite useful.
Index of Biblical Contradictions scroll down some
 
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Thank you very much for explaining.
 
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The doctrine of the inerrancy of Scripture is foundational to evangelical faith...
Or is it????!!
Here's a quote from the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy. "the autographic text of Scripture, ... in the providence of God can be ascertained from available manuscripts with great accuracy". They understand that the original manuscripts aren't available but with the large amount of early copies of those manuscripts available, textual critics humorously refer to this situation as an embarrassment of riches. Which means it is possible to determine with the availability of the vast amount of ancient documents of the originals into a great deal of accuracy about what the original message was. That's the inerrancy of scripture, it's certainly not about spelling mistakes and the exceptional few places where words are different. Those neither detract from from the message of events surrounding the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
 
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"If a person denies the doctrine of inerrancy, they have nothing to base their faith in Christ on, so they are likely not a Christian."

I never said faith is based on the doctrine of inerrancy. However, if one is given the knowledge of scripture, and they deny that God can speak to us without error, I don't see how that person can claim to know God, when God has specifically spoken to us through His word of the Bible. And salvation comes from hearing the proclamation of the gospel (that is what is found in scripture).

There is no "good" reason to deny the inerrancy of scripture, but is often based on a complete misunderstanding of what the doctrine of inerrancy is. Also the doctrine of inerrancy is not based on the person who is reading scripture literacy, but rather on God being able to speak to His creation without error.

Jesus Christ is a person and one can be a part of his body without being able to read.

I never said anything to the contrary, so that is a Straw Man.
 
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"If a person denies the doctrine of inerrancy, they have nothing to base their faith in Christ on, so they are likely not a Christian."

I never said faith is based on the doctrine of inerrancy. However, if one is given the knowledge of scripture, and they deny that God can speak to us without error, I don't see how that person can claim to know God, when God has specifically spoken to us through His word of the Bible. And salvation comes from hearing the proclamation of the gospel (that is what is found in scripture).

There is no "good" reason to deny the inerrancy of scripture, but is often based on a complete misunderstanding of what the doctrine of inerrancy is. Also the doctrine of inerrancy is not based on the person who is reading scripture literacy, but rather on God being able to speak to His creation without error.

Jesus Christ is a person and one can be a part of his body without being able to read.

I never said anything to the contrary, so that is a Straw Man.
 
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The doctrine of the inerrancy of Scripture is foundational to evangelical faith...
Or is it????!!
If Moses wrote the scripture, what scripture was guiding people before Moses? What was the law in Egypt? What were the customs and "Word of infallible scripture" of Abrams religion?

The written word is human, it becomes a replacement for faith in the Living God.
 
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I agree........even those who come to faith in Christ because He gives them a dream or vision, are soon directed to the word to learn who this God is they have come to believe in.......and in order to understand how to walk with Him and grow in the faith. Because God has chosen to speak to us by His word for the most part, otherwise a new believer wouldn't even know they need to be baptized and that's just to begin with. But in fact most come to faith from hearing someone preach the foolishness of the gospel that they learned from scripture.....the gospel has virtually been handed down through century after century via the scriptures.

Scripture testifies of itself in so many places......and God is not a man that He should lie......we just have to believe what God says of His word and it puts to rest so much argument that can be confusing or just tends to lead us astray. For example, where it says that God magnifies His word even above His name.......how's that for vetting? And all of David's extolling the word of God in the Psalms. Not to mention we have the witness of the Holy Spirit every time He illuminates the word to us......and don't we just love it, He gives us a love for it. As soon as I was born again He drew me to begin reading the bible.

Common sense just tells us that we need to have faithful translations, of course, otherwise we can end up with bibles that are not even God's word, like that paraphrased version. Comparing different translations can be helpful too, as others have mentioned....I read the King James most of the time by far, but yesterday I happened to see a little passage that was actually better translated by the NIV......by that I mean it left no doubt as to the idea that was being conveyed, it looked like the mind of man was at work in the King James one......and I double checked it by looking at Young's Literal Translation as well as looking up the individual words in the Hebrew......online bible resources are very helpful.

We need His word, we need to love His word and believe it, we musn't minimize the importance of the scriptures..........people down through the ages and still in some places to this day risk their lives or die just for owning a piece of scripture, or trying to get it into the hands of others. We don't worship bibles, but we worship the God who inspired it, they are HIS words and we need to treasure them accordingly. His word is the sword of the Spirit......that Jesus wielded when He was tempted of the devil, His word is what brings down vain imaginations that exalt themselves above the knowledge of God.......His word is what we must allow our thoughts to be taken captive by, and transformed by the washing of the water of His word.........oh we could go on and on!
 
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........in other words we don't even have to get into dissecting inerrancy, infallibility, etc if we just believe what scripture testifies of itself.......in case that didn't come across clear. Going down those roads of the carnal mind which cannot perceive the things of the Spirit WILL lead us astray into emptiness and vanity or worse......because all the thoughts of man ultimately leads to some new agey concept of God. I've been down that rabbit trail and ended up lost in the woods looking around for the right direction.........until the Lord was gracious to take MY vain thoughts captive again to HIS word. We need to be hitched to the wagon of HIS word and stay there.
 
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The Orthodox Study Bible uses the New King James Version of the Bible as the basis for a fresh translation of the Septuagint text. The Septuagint is the Greek version of the Bible used by Christ, the Apostles, and the early church.

The OT is from the LXX. The NT is the New King James, tweaked by the Orthodox here and there.

I do know that it is a good study Bible, but not my favorite for sitting and reading.
 
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