AxisofOddity I just don't believe it.
Does it state in the Bible that suicide is a guarantee for hell?
One person prays to God, and sins by lying, and dies. Does he go to heaven?
On another hand, one person prays to God and kills himself. Does he go to hell?
This is pressing me, because I can't accept that notion.
Greetings AxisofOddity , and welcome to CF ,
First of all , it should be said that the best way to find answers to our questions is to pray for The Lord to teach us by His Holy Spirit and constantly consult Scripture for verification .
Having done this , somewhat , it is possible to share with you , but one should still pursue understanding and confirmation , as an individual , and not rather blindly follow the claims and assertions of others .
For there is much which is misunderstood .
Nevertheless , God is faithful to establish Truth in the hearts of all who humbly , patiently , and wholeheartedly seek His Spirit through Jesus Christ .
Jesus said to certain Pharisees , who trusted in themselves as being religiously prominent -
Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. <-----> John 8:21-24
Jesus also said to His followers -
There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. <-----> Luke13:1-9
Can you see and perceive ? And hear and understand ?
Jesus is telling us that without faith in Him we will continue to be fruitless as the servants of sin ; which will lead to suffering the wrath of God ( i.e. hell / The lake of fire )
But because , " God is longsuffering , not willing that any should perish " , we are given " space to repent " ( i.e. space to believe and receive the gift of repentance ) ; and in the Judgment Day all who have believed in Christ unto repentance , which allows for good fruit to develop and makes us fitting additions / replacements for God's Everlasting Kingdom of Heaven , will be saved . But all who " die in their sins ( i.e. those who don't believe in Christ unto repentance ) will be prevented from entering into His Kingdom of Peace and Joy and Righteousness .
Therefore , if one is yet , in their sins , ( not having effectually received God's gift of repentance ) and they do die therein ; their time / space for finding that " gift " is over . And the very next thing to occur is The Resurrection and The Judgment . Then if one is sentenced to Hell / The lake of fire , that is the death of their soul , which is an eternal death , which has no provision for being raised up from , ( or resurrected ) .
Therefore , suicide , in most every case , would certainly mean that one died in their sins , having not effectually received true repentance which is a fruit of geniune faith in Christ ; and consequently they cannot enter into Eternal Life , and the only other option is eternal death .
Some supporting Scripture -
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. <-----> John 16:12+13
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. <-----> Acts 17:11
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. <-----> Matthew 3:7-10
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. <-----> John 8:30-36
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things. <-----> Luke 24:45-48
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. <-----> Acts 5:31
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. <-----> Romans 2:28+29
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. <-----> Acts 11:18
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. <-----> Acts 20:21
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. <-----> 2nd Corinthians 7:10
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. <-----> 2nd Timothy 2:24-26
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. <-----> 2nd Peter 3:9
Our faith in Christ , His Atoning Sacrifice , is specifically designed to work repentance in our lives ; thus recreating us from the inside out , into that which is pleasing to God as those Judged as being " fit for His Kingdom " .
And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. <-----> Luke 9:62
Remember Lot's wife.
Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. <-----> Luke 17:32+33
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. <-----> 2nd Peter 2:21+22
We have to let go of our life of practicing sin , in order for God's Gift to bring forth the fruit of His Spirit .
If we try to preserve our life as a sinner , we grieve God's Spirit .
And if we persist in grieving God's Spirit , there comes a point ( after much longsuffering ) where we either submit , and accept the repentance , or we blaspheme and are cast off . As it is written :
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. <-----> Matthew 13:32+33
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. <-----> John 15:1-12
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. <-----> 1st John 5:1-6
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. <-----> Romans 13:8-14
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. <-----> 1st Corinthians 9:26+27
For there is no respect of persons with God. <-----> Romans 2:11
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. <-----> Galatians 6:7-9
Let us not settle for a " form of godliness , which denies the power thereof " , In Jesus Name . Amen .
( See 2nd Timothy Chapter 3 esp. vs. 5 )
Sincerely ,
wm
