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Is speaking in tongues wrong?

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I've read a bit about both sides of the argument about speaking in tongues. Yesterday I realized that the church I've been attending for the last month or so is a Charismatic Church. There's nothing wrong with that other than I just didn't know that/if I was supposed to believe something that I've never heard much about before. Paul seems to refer to speaking in tongues as a language that he prays in. Other parts of the bible say that it was used to convey the gospel message in the language of the nation the apostles were speaking to, so they could understand.
I don't believe that I HAVE to speak in tongues in a way that will have anything to do with my salvation. The Bible talks about speaking in tongues edifying the speaker, man or woman. What is wrong with desiring this or doing it? :prayer:
 

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I don't belong to a charismatic church, but I pray in tongues. It actually happened to me before i even knew what it was. I was going through a very tough time when I moved for university and one night I was praying and trying to relax because I had been so tense. I felt this overwhelming presence and love and I began speaking in a different language, and believe me, no one would think this kind of thing is as weird as I did. My conscious mind thought this was ridiculous but I can't explain how incredible my spirit felt. I couldn't stop whatever was happening, all I know is that a Huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. I actually think I would feel uncomfortable in a church where everyone was doing this, strangely enough. For me it was very personal and not something I would just tell anyone (except for you Christians who understand lol) But it has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation. I think it's good for me because sometimes I can't put my prayers into proper words, I feel like God is reading my heart without me having to form sentences lol!!

But it's not something you should or have to do (at least that's what I think)

blessings!
 
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Thanks for the response. That's how I feel about it also. My church refers to the baptism of the Holy Spirit and says that tongues is the evidence of that. I've always understood that the Holy Spirit lives in you when you truly accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and you become saved. I know that's true for me or I wouldn't have been able to become the different person that I am today. I like the idea of a prayer language but I would really like to understand what it means biblicly.
 
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Speaking in tongues should not be hold for the basis of evidence in the fruit of salvation. That is what some Charismatic/Pentecostal churches believe. But you know not all churches have correct doctrines in every aspect.

I have been researching into the Charismatic Movement. I want to share to you that at first I was on the opposing side of the Charismatics. I am like anti-Charismatic. I find so many supporting arguments against Charismatic theology.

But I find that even though they are very good evidence. They are just very empirical. So I pray about it. It takes me about 4 months praying daily and fasting off and on. Finally an answer is given to me.

I always feel empty going to a church that is not spirtually alive. I read about the miracles that happen in the New Testament done by Jesus and all the Apostles. And then there is a verse in Hebrews saying that Jesus is the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. I ask myself how can that be? How can Jesus be the same and no miracle take place today.

This is what I learn. On the cessationist side, they believe that the Bible comes to completion. So no miracle is need to validate the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is where I think that it is wrong for them. The bible comes to complete later decades later after the death of the Apostles. Then there are some cessationists that argued that it is when the church mature that the gifts of the holy Spirit is ceased. you know, I read what Jesus said that He will send the Holy Spirit to help us. I just kinda think to myself. If the gifts are serve in ministries, how is that we are no longer empower the same way in the New Testament to share the Gospel?

I really wanted to reject the Charismatic Movement. I was angry that I know that I am being drawn into the Charismatic movement already. I knew that I will accept the Charismatic theology. Because it all makes sense to me. It is all rational to me.
 
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Continuing on....

So last year, I research on the gift of tongues. I find it hard to believe too. All the giberish!! I think it is just so silly how people just jabber with their mouth.

Then I pray and fast for that whole year. I want to seek what is truth. I know that I was raised to not believe in this. So I have a difficulty dealing this. I am already baised in believing that this to be false already without myself truly looking into it.

So what I did was to test it out first. I want to get pray over for the receiving of the gift of tongues. My Charismatic friend takes me to his church. The elders pray for me. Nothing changes. Except I do notice that there is a strange part of me I can not explain myself. I feel like there is something in me that is making me tremble. There are verses in the Bible saying that in the presence of God or His angels, people tremble. I never really understand what those verse meant. Until that time comes, they pray for me. I tremble. It is not in fear that I tremble. I did feel like there is such an overwhelming power over me. I feel like I was in the presence of His Holiness. I tremble in wonders.

I did not speak in tongues. But a week after that, I went to my church. I had a Charismatic friend along with me. As my church sang praise songs, I feel the tremble in my heart and in my stomach to my lungs. There was a tickling sense in the depth of my throat. So I began to giggle for the heck of it. But the feeling was that I feel joy. the joy was like the joy that you and I get when we just first realize that God loves us. I feel that joy.

So I could not hold in. I kept on giggling and wiggling. My friend told me that he has seen this before. So he told me to leave the service because I can cause alot of attention.

I left the service. Right out of the building....I have the biggest laugh ever. It was the loudest laugh in my whole life. I mean really really really really loud. I was laughing for about 20 minutes until my mouth just could not laugh anymore. Then I came back to the service room after that was done.

Later on, I study this and it is called "holy laughter". Funny in an ironic way. I never saw these things done or have any knowledge previous about it. That is how I know that God must be doing something.
 
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again...continuing on....

Sorry...I keep on continuing on because i do not want to loose these information. I tend to loose it after long writings.

Okay. So now that I experience things that I never would have believe in or theologically does not make any sense.

So I check on the theology of holy laughter. The closest thing to it is all in Psalms. There are many times in there where David and other psalmists write about shouting with joy and laughter to the LORD. you can take this and interpret differently from me. But I interpret different from a person who does not believe in this. Because I believe that my experience validates what the Bible is saying.

Now comes the tongues. I try hard in learning more about it. And many people including cessationists believe that tongues are praying in the spirit just the same in Charismatic theology. You will met some that do not hold that view. But most do.

read this:

14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15 What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
16 Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying?
17 For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified.
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;
19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

- 1 Corinthians 14:14-19

This is where many people can not reject that Paul is referring to a language that is not understandable to man. That is why they mostly think that it is a heavenly language. But I can only point this out to you. I will let you decide.

When I read this, my mind being baised did reject that there can be any possible view of what Paul is talking about as referring to gibberish. And you can read here that for sure it does sound like the tongues you see in Charismatic movement. Because praying in a human language your mind will be edified. And praying in a human language the church will know. So then why does he say it is better to speak five words with his mind than ten thousand words in a tongue?

Finally reading all this on the opposing views and supporting views of the gift of tongues, I come to believe that it is true. (There are many views that I did not mention.) I believe it through the fruits of the Holy Spirit in me as well as in my friends. My friends are godly young men. They tell me about the gift of tongues. And I know that they are noy lying to me.

Then finally comes the day when a girl calls me up. She tells me that she is calling me to stay awake. I ask her why. Because this is late at night about 12am. She tells me that she is having a fear in the dark as well as just closing her eyes. Whenever she closes her eyes she feels like there is a presence hovering around her or standing next to her. And when she looks at a dark area of her room, she feels like a presence of darkness is around there.

Now I am thinking that this is getting a bit silly because the girl is 20 years old. However, I am not just stop believing her story. Because I have my case of struggling against demons.

After talking and trying to counselor her about horror scenes and thoughts she has fill up with her mind, I know that I am not getting anywhere. She is not getting any better. In fact, she is gtting worse. The more we talk about it, the more scare she gets. (And all this time her 16-year-old sister is sleeping next to her, sharing the same bed.)

After it reaches 3am, I was thinking that this is going to be enough for me. I was getting tired. So I asked her if it was alright to pray. Once I ignitated that, I feel an urge or what I now discern as being filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. I feel an urge to pray for her. It was such a strong urge, that I also ask her to pray for herself loudly.

Then I begin praying for her. She prays too. As I pray for about 5 minutes, I feel a greater urge to pray louder and louder. So I follow that urge. It is like an urge that what you want to get it done, you know for sure with total 100% faith that it will be done. That is the urget I get. And that urge is like a burning in the heart. A passion.

As I pray to her, I pray louder and faster. Louder and faster. Then my mind went blank for like a second, and I find that what was coming out of my mouth were not my own words. I know that I was mumbling something. I hear the sounds clearly. But I never heard those words before.

After about 7-10 seconds of hearing myself slowly mumbling, I quickly stopped. I got embarrassed. I knew that must be speaking in tongues then.

Just to make the story short, I find it hard to speak in tongues again later on. I can not do the same as it happens to me. But as a revival overtake the area where I live, (I did not attend the revival meetings.) I wanted to pray to God that night and not go. So I stay and pray. The same feeling of praying louder and faster with such great faith came again. This time, I pray in tongues for 40 minutes. And I knew that it is tongues because, I was not trying to fake it. Also I can feel the swoosh of wind coming out of my lungs so strong that my mouth just keeps on moving with words coming out. This is never been done before by me. And added to that, I feel such warmth over me that I was sweating like the sweats I get after a football game.

Let my testimony be to you a learning. I can not say that it is the same for everyone. It is different. I can only say to you to seek God diligently without being baised. Read the Bible and read it with your own theology. Try to reach the help of the Holy Spirit and not men.
 
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Lgangelina said:
I've read a bit about both sides of the argument about speaking in tongues. Yesterday I realized that the church I've been attending for the last month or so is a Charismatic Church. There's nothing wrong with that other than I just didn't know that/if I was supposed to believe something that I've never heard much about before. Paul seems to refer to speaking in tongues as a language that he prays in. Other parts of the bible say that it was used to convey the gospel message in the language of the nation the apostles were speaking to, so they could understand.
I don't believe that I HAVE to speak in tongues in a way that will have anything to do with my salvation. The Bible talks about speaking in tongues edifying the speaker, man or woman. What is wrong with desiring this or doing it? :prayer:
To answer the question: No, it is not wrong to speak in tongues. I have spoken in tongues since I was a child and have found it to be very beneficial in my walk with God. :)
 
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Quaffer said:
To answer the question: No, it is not wrong to speak in tongues. I have spoken in tongues since I was a child and have found it to be very beneficial in my walk with God. :)
I agree with Quaffer. Now I am speaking tongues regularly. And it really does improve me spiritually and mentally. I do notice that without a couple of days without speaking in tongues, I am so grouchy. But if I keep on with tongues, I manage to keep my spirituality and mentality stable.
 
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I too have the gift of tongues... but I will add that I do not believe this is the ONLY evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit... I do believe it was the evidence that they were filled on the Day of the Pentecost. The Spirit gives many gifts freely and the gift of tongues is one of them... you may have another gift or many other gifts... but the day that you accepted Christ as your Saviour is the Day that the Holy Spirit came to rest rule and abide in you.

I do not believe that speaking in tongues is wrong... it is a Gift from the Holy Spirit of God... how could it be?
 
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i personally believe that speaking in tongues is a way of communication that comes directly from your subconscious. It sounds like gibberish because it is YOUR own personal language of worship to God. Speaking in tongues is inspired by the Holy Spirit, like many posters have already said.
 
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onikirimaru777 said:
i personally believe that speaking in tongues is a way of communication that comes directly from your subconscious. It sounds like gibberish because it is YOUR own personal language of worship to God. Speaking in tongues is inspired by the Holy Spirit, like many posters have already said.
Not just many pastors had said it, but the Bible does teach on it.

And I do like to add that speaking in tongues is not the only evidence of baptism of the Holy SPirit. I know there is a pastor's wife who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, yet she was prophesying.

I believe that there are manifestations to be the evidence of the baptism of the Holy SPirit. Sometimes those manifestations are not too obiviously seen. It can just be that a person feels a great warmth over them. And that can just be it. I just believe that when a person is baptized in the Holy Spirit, it is the Holy Spirit that will testify to the person in a way that she/he know for sure it is something brand new and very unique.
 
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There is a saying "seek the gift giver and not just the gift". Personally, I have found it possible to seek both the gifts of the Holy Spirit and to seek the gift giver who is God of course. However , I think that the meaning of the saying is this. We should not get out of balance to the point where the gift becomes more important to us than our relationship with the Lord. There can be a lot of peer pressure on the subject of tongues (both for and against depending on which church you visit).

So my answer is it is not wrong to speak in tongues. In fact, it is very good to speak in tongues. However, it is important to maintain integrity and not just have an anything goes attitude. I believe this is why paul had to write passages like 1 Corinthians 13 and 14. Because people assumed wrongly that if they had a gift from the Holy Spirit such as tongues that they could just use it however and whenever they please. After all, if they are speaking on behalf of God then how can it be wrong was their logic it seems. Showing love and being respectful of others is important even when we are operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Lord gives each christian something good to offer to the church. It should all be done decently and in order and not in a way that suppresses other persons gifts. In this context, the apostle Paul advised that it is far better to edify the body in a church service by prophecy in a known language than to consume the entire service with unknown tongues. No one person or gift is to take over the entire service as though no one else there has any edification to give.
Bottomline, don't give into peer pressure and fake it. If you find yourself desiring the gift of tongues, I suggest prayer and fasting as a biblical method. Seek the Lord about it and if He gives you the gift of tongues, then use it in love and in a way that brings glory and honor to the Lord.
 
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d0c markus said:
so you all can just jump into tongues on a whim? I always thought it was a sudden gift given by god at times, not a memorized language?
What Yitzchak said is correct your Loving relationship with the Father is what is paramount in your Christian Journey, any Gift of the Spirit that is not in accompaniment with this Love is of no value.

Doc I can open my mouth right now and sing in tongues, or pray in tongues. There are times when I know I need to pray and I have no words. I will pray in tongues because this is my heavenly language. The Gifts of the Spirit is like the Gift of Eternal Life. They are not Gifts that come and go. It is a gift, it is yours to keep. To use it on a whim would not edify the Giver, I speak when I pray for others, or sometimes in a song of worship of the Creator our God. If you asked me, "Hey let me hear you speak in tongues!" I would decline the request, because that would be rather whimsical.

Each Gift is given to Edify God, the Body, or as a sign to the non believer.
Therefore even though the gifts can be used at anytime... they are not gievn to be used for self glorification.

(IMHO)
 
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d0c markus said:
hmm maybe a couple years of A/G theology and doctrine courses will give me some insight.
I would hope so d0c markus, I grew up in the A/G and that's where I learned most of what I know about tongues. :)
 
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"Speaking in tongues should not be hold for the basis of evidence in the fruit of salvation. That is what some Charismatic/Pentecostal churches believe."

My bf always went to a Baptist church. He believed in tongues, but he'd never spoken it before. When he heard it with my church doing it, he freaked out and had a panick attack. The devil was battling, because he was afraid, and fear isn't of God. He could tell later that the devil was battling bc of the thoughts he was getting (I'm gonna keep some details out). And later as he was still battling some, and reaching out to God, he started to randomly speak in tongues some. The devil must know the power in that and my church must have been doing something right for the devil to try so hard to get him afraid of that.
 
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Now i am not a bible schloar or anything but i can tell you what i beleive and have experienced. Thgift of tongues does not mean you have not been baptized by ht holy spirit i i only received the gift after a long time and after being eager for it and it is Good to be eager for the gifts of god (sorry i can't qoute but it is in corinthians) I beleive that when you ptay you usually pray more for what u want than what you need. And it is difficult to pray for what u need cos your brain stops you. now through tongues you decieve your brain and you actually communicate to god what u need in a different tongue. So your brain doesn't stop u cos it doesn't know what u are saying and neither do you know what u are saying but God does and he answers your prayer. And it says tongues edifies the spirit of the ojne person but interpretation of tongues edifies the spitit of the churcha as a body. So be eager for all the gifts. :)
 
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I believe in the gift of tongues.
I also believe it is something to be careful with. I believe it is abused.

What some would call mindless babble is not babble at all. But that doesn't mean it's good either.
I believe speaking in tongues is related to shaman experiences. I need to read up on it more though.
I don't believe it is healthy to pray in a language you don't understand.
I do believe that there is power in spoken words that we underestimate.
 
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