Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

Rick Otto said:
If that were true, God would've just spoke from Mt Sinai, not written.

I would have loved to been there for that!

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Hebrew 12:18 For ye came not near to the Mountain touched and scorched with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest
19 and a sound of a trumpet and a voice of sayings, which those having heard did entreat that a word might not be added to them,
[Revelation 8:8]

Reve 8:8 And the second Messenger trumpets and as-like a Mountain, great to fire burning, was cast into the Sea and became the third of the Sea blood
[Matthew 21:21/Hebrew 12:18]

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

Montalban said:
As noted this is another case where the Bible, useful though it is, is not sufficient.

Many heretics used the Bible to justify their beliefs.

A few have been successful from the very start.

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would have loved to been there for that!

Hebrew 12:18 For ye came not near to the Mountain touched and scorched with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest
19 and a sound of a trumpet and a voice of sayings, which those having heard did entreat that a word might not be added to them,
[Revelation 8:8]

Reve 8:8 And the second Messenger trumpets and as-like a Mountain, great to fire burning, was cast into the Sea and became the third of the Sea blood
[Matthew 21:21/Hebrew 12:18]

Didn't you see Charlton Heston in "The Ten Commandments"?
I'd 've been tryin' to see how close I could get without passin' out & dyin'.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

Rick Otto said:
Didn't you see Charlton Heston in "The Ten Commandments"?
I'd 've been tryin' to see how close I could get without passin' out & dyin'.

They need to do a remake of that movie in 3D, along with this one!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7390875-13/#post54587660
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Fireinfolding · Aug 1, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would have loved to been there for that!

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Hebrew 12:18 For ye came not near to the Mountain touched and scorched with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest

19 and a sound of a trumpet and a voice of sayings, which those having heard did entreat that a word might not be added to them,
[Revelation 8:8]

Reve 8:8 And the second Messenger trumpets and as-like a Mountain, great to fire burning, was cast into the Sea and became the third of the Sea blood
[Matthew 21:21/Hebrew 12:18]

Which is interesting because "we believe therefore WE SPEAK (even as a trumpet sounding) and in the very context of "faith" Jesus says....

Mat 21:21 if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Even as here...

1Cr 13:2... and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

(Faith working by love is what matters)

Did you ever notice as the burning mount is cast into the sea our sins are also cast into the sea as well? Even as its through the law comes the knowledge of sin?

Doesnt that sound like Mount SINAI or Sin -I?

Mic 7:19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

Wherein it says...

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

And here also is a great mountain and a shout of the same grace to it...

Zach 4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

Coincidence?

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

Scholars have shown that the OT was oral tradition for many centuries before it was written.

Also, why have scripture since I keep hearing from those in disagreemtn that God speaks to them directly.

How many times do I see scripture ignored when it says to keep what was given both orally and written. And to hear answers as to correct interpretation based on divine revelation or some other while denying a oral tradition.

The real question is why believe in Sola Scritura when Sola Scriptura denies itself?

In Luke Jesus says "Whoever listens to you listens to me" and not whomever reads your writings listens to me. This is because it is oral tradition that Jesus gave to the church and it is primarily oral traditon that His church has used. The written is just in support of the oral and that is why scripture is sued in reproof, it is used to confirm the oral tradition.

We also know that scripture says that we are to keep what the Apostles and leaders taught whether by word or written. To say this is the Word of God and then say we cannot keep the oral Word of God is to place limits on God.

So why do people believe in Sola Scriptura when scripture and Jesus speak of teachings that are oral?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

JacktheCatholic said:
*snip*
So why do people believe in Sola Scriptura when scripture and Jesus speak of teachings that are oral?

Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke this to His followers

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 10:27 Which I am saying to ye in the darkness, say ye! in the Light.
And which into the ear ye are hearing, proclaim ye! on the housetops/dwmatwn <1430>
[Luke 12:3]

Interesting. Matt 24:16 also mentions "housetop"

Matt 24:16 "then those in the Judea let be fleeing into the mountains.
17 "The one on the housetop/dwmatoV <1430> no let be descending to lift/take-away out of the house of him

http://www.christianforums.com/t7392923/
How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

The only thing we know what God Himself wrote was in stone, & Jesus said "It is written" more than He said, "It is said".
Selective observations only support selected conclusions.
It sounds like wanting to put your trust in something unreliable based on the reliability of your own unreliability.

It's likle cutting off your nose to spite your face.

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

Rick Otto said:
The only thing we know what God Himself wrote was in stone, & Jesus said "It is written" more than He said, "It is said".
Selective observations only support selected conclusions.
It sounds like wanting to put your trust in something unreliable based on the reliability of your own unreliability.

It's likle cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Hello Rick,

Jesus did say it is written when he was referring to the Septuagint for which Jesus quoted often.

The only thing that Jesus wrote, according to scriptures, was something in the sand.

It seems selective that if one believes in Sola Scriptura, Scripture alone, that scripture is ignored when it says to keep the oral teaching as well as the written in the same thought. That, in itself, negates any notion of a preserved teaching by Scripture alone.

Even the leaders of the Church, whose writings still exist today, state to keep both oral and written traditions.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

Rick Otto said:
The only thing we know what God Himself wrote was in stone, & Jesus said "It is written" more than He said, "It is said".
Selective observations only support selected conclusions.
It sounds like wanting to put your trust in something unreliable based on the reliability of your own unreliability.

It's likle cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Great post bro! [I will keep my nose for now tho ]

Luke 24:44 He said yet toward them "these the words of Me which I speak toward ye still being together ye, that is binding to be full-filled all the having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772) in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets and Psalms about Me".

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading and the ones hearing the Words of this, the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772), for the time nigh.

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would have loved to been there for that!

Yahweh did speak to His people before...

Then we had Jesus and God spoke to many people.

Now we have many who say God speaks to them and teaches them. We have many who say they need no teacher because the Law is written on the Heart.

With all this, why is scripture or tradition needed??? Just prayer and have God teach you mystically and open up those Laws on one's Heart.

To me that sounds like something that happened with Gnosticism but in todays world it seems like each person can have their own belief what Christian means and live that way.

So, in a world like this... what is one to believe. Not even scripture needs to be adhered to.

ie. Keep what you received either oral or written

MamaZ · Aug 1, 2010

Christ Directs us through His written word. For the scriptures are alive and active in a believers life because it is the HS which agrees with what He has breathed. The scriptures although written is Gods word to us..His heart to our heart.

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

Hello MamaZ,

I agree that scripture does all those things. Amen.
In our world today, with so many conflicting theologies, don't you wonder?

Thanks,

Jack

MamaZ · Aug 1, 2010

JacktheCatholic said:
Hello MamaZ,

I agree that scripture does all those things. Amen.
In our world today, with so many conflicting theologies, don't you wonder?

Thanks,

Jack

wonder what?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

JacktheCatholic said:
Hello MamaZ,

I agree that scripture does all those things. Amen.
In our world today, with so many conflicting theologies, don't you wonder?

Thanks,

Jack

Tis been a "black eye" on Christianity for some time now.......sigh

http://www.christianforums.com/t6790703-25/#post43066817
Great Schism and effect on Christianity and Theology

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

MamaZ said:
wonder what?

About all the many conflicting theologies.

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

It would be more of a wonder why not, given that creation awaits redemption.
It would be more of a wonder why there wasn't one successful enough to fool the world, given the prophecy there will be one.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

Rick Otto said:
It would be more of a wonder why not, given that creation awaits redemption.
It would be more of a wonder why there wasn't one successful enough to fool the world, given the prophecy there will be one.

Ephes 4:30 and no be ye sorrowing the spirit, the holy of the God in which ye were sealed into a day of redemption/apo-lutrwsewV <629>.
[Luke 21:28]

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet these-things to be becoming, up-bend/anakuyate <352> (5657)! and lift-up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7398409/
What is meaning of Redemption for us in Bible?

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

JacktheCatholic said:
About all the many conflicting theologies.

One member commented that SS could be defeated with "logic". Not sure I understand that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7484171/#post55370437

quote: Used to be...the argument is eventually defeated by logic

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
One member commented that SS could be defeated with "logic". Not sure I understand that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7484171/#post55370437

quote: Used to be...the argument is eventually defeated by logic

For the RCC and EOC and OOC I think they are unanimous in a Teaching that is more than Scripture Alone, which is based on Apostolic Tradition to include Scripture. Even Martin Luther used Tradition and not just Scripture even though Sola Scriptura originated there. As to Anglican or what started out as the Church of England, they still use tradition as well. As to many Sola Scriptura type Protestant churches I am finding that many are studying the writings from the ECFs as well to better understand and so it seems they are becomeing less Sola Scriptura.

BUT...

SOLO Scriptura, I am at a loss. I know you explained the difference once before with Sola and Solo but the explanation eludes me.

Anyhow... logic to a RCC and EOC and OOC can be different than a logi of a SS. * I suppose

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