Is SOLO Scriptura Scriptural?

Fireinfolding · Jul 30, 2010

MamaZ said:
Na..Jesus was just one person. But He was before He was birthed.

Second part of the sentence might help huh?

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Standing Up · Jul 30, 2010

laconicstudent said:
Juno was a Roman goddess, wife of Jove, Queen of the Gods. I don't get what the point is with her, either. She didn't like Aeneas, really liked Queen Dido and Carthage....

I just don't get it that folks don't get the point of the article's mention of Jove. Those chips are in the way

Juno is an example of what theotokos does not mean. Montalban is not saying that Mary was the cause of God, that she created God, or that God arose out from her, or that she preexisted God. At the same time, MamaZ is not saying that the Son of God was created at birth from Mary, that the Son of God did not exist until He was born in the flesh. But however else one wants to understand it, clearly Jesus Christ came in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7).

OTOH, to be fair, Montalban are you saying that Mary is the cause of God?

MamaZ are you saying that there was a time when the Son of God did not exist?

Theotokos is literally God-bearer. Think of the ark, it bore the animals, but it didn't create them. They existed before and after the ride, yet without the ark, they wouldn't exist after the flood. Mary ascented to God and bore the Son of God.

At the same time, we are the temple of the Living God.

Hope that helps move it forward.

Montalban · Jul 30, 2010

Standing Up said:
I just don't get it that folks don't get the point of the article's mention of Jove. Those chips are in the way

Why did you reply directly to my post to tell me what you think I don't mean?

Standing Up · Jul 31, 2010

Montalban said:
Why did you reply directly to my post to tell me what you think I don't mean?

Speak away. Is Theotokos the equivalent of Juno?

Montalban · Jul 31, 2010

Standing Up said:
Speak away. Is Theotokos the equivalent of Juno?

Read what I wrote about Juno being a god and no one here saying Mary is one (post #771).

I used small words.

MamaZ · Jul 31, 2010

Why do you esteem Mary more than your own mother?

Montalban · Jul 31, 2010

MamaZ said:
Why do you esteem Mary more than your own mother?

No one's made her a god.

How many women have given birth to God?

You're one who claims to follow the Bible. How many women do you know that an angel has said "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 31, 2010

Standing Up said:
Speak away. Is Theotokos the equivalent of Juno?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_(mythology)

Juno (Latin pronunciation: /juːnoː/) was an ancient Roman goddess, the protector and special counselor of the state. She is a daughter of Saturn and sister (but also the wife) of the chief god Jupiter and the mother of Mars, Minerva and Vulcan. Her Greek equivalent is Hera.

Didn't the Jezebel in the OT consider herself above God?
She is also mentioned in the jewish/hebrew book of revelation

http://www.christianforums.com/t5617198/
She who sits as queen, not widow, never mourns

Jezebel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jezebel (Hebrew: [FONT='SBL Hebrew', David, Narkisim, 'Times New Roman', 'Ezra SIL SR', FrankRuehl, 'Microsoft Sans Serif', 'Lucida Grande']אִיזֶבֶל[/font] / [FONT='SBL Hebrew', David, Narkisim, 'Times New Roman', 'Ezra SIL SR', FrankRuehl, 'Microsoft Sans Serif', 'Lucida Grande']אִיזָבֶל[/font], Modern Izével / Izável Tiberian ʾÎzéḇel / ʾÎzāḇel) (fl. 9th century B.C.) was a Phoenician princess,[1] identified in the Hebrew Book of Kings as the daughter of Ethbaal, King of the Sidonians [2] (Phoenicians) and the wife of Ahab, king of north Israel. According to genealogies given in Josephus and other classical sources she was the great aunt of Dido, Queen of Carthage.

Reve 2:20 But I am having against of thee *few. That thou suffer the woman/wife Jezebel, the one saying herself Prophetess and she is teaching and deceiving My bond-servants to prostitue and to be eating idol-sacrifices.
[1 King 16:31/Reve 18:7]

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev46.htm

*snip*

The church in Thyatira has a longer message delivered to it from Jesus Christ than any of the seven churches............

.........There is one name in the Bible that no parents would think to give to their daughter, and that name is Jezebel. The name Jezebel sweeps across the pages of the Bible. The typical Jezebel of the Old Testament was the daughter of Ethbaal, king of Tyre and Sidon. The name Ethbaal means "with Baal."

katherine2001 · Jul 31, 2010

MamaZ said:
Why do you esteem Mary more than your own mother?

My own mother did not conceive Christ in her womb, contribute His humanity to Him or give birth to the Son of God incarnate. My mom was not the Mother of God (since Jesus Christ is God and has always been the Son of God), God gave that honor to Mary. And before you say that we all bear Him in us--we did not all conceive Him in our wounds by the Holy Spirit, we did not contribute His humanity and human nature to Him, we did not go into labor and give birth to Him, nor did we change His seat covers, breastfeed Him, or take care of Him when He was sick. Mary did all of that. I esteem my own mother greatly and wish she was still here on earth. I miss her a lot.

Standing Up · Jul 31, 2010

Montalban said:
Read what I wrote about Juno being a god and no one here saying Mary is one (post #771).

I used small words.

So, what's the problem? Did I not agree with you, presenting your side of the issue fairly and accurately? You just like to argue for argument's sake?

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 31, 2010

Originally Posted by MamaZ

Why do you esteem Mary more than your own mother?

Can we please keep this off the topic of Mary for now?
She already has a whole Board dedicated to her on CF. Thank you and God bless

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MamaZ · Jul 31, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
Can we please keep this off the topic of Mary for now?
She already has a whole Board dedicated to her on CF. Thank you and God bless

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Of course we can brother.. Now moving along

Montalban · Aug 1, 2010

LittleLambofJesus said:
Can we please keep this off the topic of Mary for now?
She already has a whole Board dedicated to her on CF. Thank you and God bless

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The issue started by an examination of what one can know from sola scriptura

I told MamaZ that doctrinal formulae aren't found in scripture to which she both agreed and disagreed at the same time

Montalban · Aug 1, 2010

Standing Up said:
So, what's the problem? Did I not agree with you, presenting your side of the issue fairly and accurately?

I've already addressed this one too!

You've claimed to address my post directly (quoting it) and then saying you wanted to tell me what I don't believe in!

Montalban · Aug 1, 2010

As noted this is another case where the Bible, useful though it is, is not sufficient.

Many heretics used the Bible to justify their beliefs.

JacktheCatholic · Aug 1, 2010

We are told to keep the traditions both oral and written...

Scripture cannot be wrong can it?

So, scripture must be in accord with the oral tradition as well. Just as we are to trust the written is protected by the Paraclete so we must trust the oral to be protected by the Paraclete. And like the Christians did (in scripture too) we will look to the Church founded by the Apostles (Apostolic Succession).

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 1, 2010

Montalban said:
As noted this is another case where the Bible, useful though it is, is not sufficient.

Many heretics used the Bible to justify their beliefs.

You rang?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7448114-12/#post54283622

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

Montalban said:
I've already addressed this one too!

You've claimed to address my post directly (quoting it) and then saying you wanted to tell me what I don't believe in!

How can that be a problem for anyone who mischaracterizes what there IS to address, inSTEAD of quoting, so they can make spurious assertions about what we believe?

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

JacktheCatholic said:
We are told to keep the traditions both oral and written...

Scripture cannot be wrong can it?

So, scripture must be in accord with the oral tradition as well. Just as we are to trust the written is protected by the Paraclete so we must trust the oral to be protected by the Paraclete. And like the Christians did (in scripture too) we will look to the Church founded by the Apostles (Apostolic Succession).

If that were true, God would've just spoke from Mt Sinai, not written.

Rick Otto · Aug 1, 2010

Why bother to write anything down if oral tradition is just as good?
Writing would just be an invitation to disasterous interpretation.

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