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The Bible is "God breathed". Sorry I took it for granted that you knew that.I noticed you avoided "God breathed" in your reply. The same Holy Spirit of the Old Testament writings, is the same of the NT writings. Nope, the authority of the church is NOT GOD BREATHED. It is a theological innovation.
Luke 10:16Nope, the authority of the church is NOT GOD BREATHED. It is a theological innovation.
Uh-hum. . .the immaculate conception is not in my Bible. . .Ro 5:18-19 is in my Bible.I'm arguing that His Church has authority. The argument isn't about the authority of scripture since scripture and His Church does not contradict each other.
Please refresh my memory on that.Jesus explicitly commands us to listen to the Church.
Uh-hem. . .Scripture tells us it is God-breathed (2 Ti 3:16).The Church tells us the Bible is Divinely inspired.
Which statement presents the church as the authority for Scripture.So yes, we would do well to what the Bible teaches.
Sorry, I took it for granted that you knew that.The Bible is "God breathed". Sorry I took it for granted that you knew that.
So, what scripture did Timothy know in his youth?
Where does this verse say the "authority of the church" is GOD BREATHED? Only Scripture is God breathed.Luke 10:16
Your misinterpretation of that verse has been addressed many times on this forum. You side always loses.Uh-hum. . .the immaculate conception is not in my Bible. . .Ro 5:18-19 is in my Bible.
Mat 18:18 for oneWhich statement presents the church as the authority for Scripture.
Care to do the math?Sorry, I took it for granted that you knew that.
Umm, He is talking to the first Bishops of the ChurchWhere does this verse say the "authority of the church" is GOD BREATHED? Only Scripture is God breathed.
What? This refers to the sending out of 72 disciples who were evangelized for a specific duration of time and then came back to Jesus. This verse has nothing to do with the first bishops of the church. Where do you get such outlandish ideas from?Umm, He is talking to the first Bishops of the Church
Non-responsive. . .Your misinterpretation of that verse has been addressed many times on this forum. You side always loses.
Mt 18:17, "listen to the church," is in the context of how love handles sin of a brother (fellow believer) against a brother.Mat 18:18 for one
Present math. . .and we'll go from there.Care to do the math?
Hmmm, who to believe? You or Cyril and Augustine?What? This refers to the sending out of 72 disciples who were evangelized for a specific duration of time and then came back to Jesus. This verse has nothing to do with the first bishops of the church. Where do you get such outlandish ideas from?
There is no such thing as "the authority of the church" as GOD BREATHED. The church is not GOD BREATHED. Only Scripture is.
Now you are appealing to authorities OUTSIDE of Scripture and extra Biblical. Only Scripture has GOD BREATHED WORDS. Cyril and Augustine statements concerning scripture ARE NOT GOD BREATHED. Only Scripture is.Hmmm, who to believe? You or Cyril and Augustine?
CYRIL; Whereby He teaches, that whatever is said by the holy Apostles must be received, since he who hears them hears Christ, and an inevitable punishment therefore hangs over heretics who neglect the words of the Apostles; for it follows, and he who despises you despises me.
AUG. But if the word of God reaches to us also, and appoints us in the Apostles place, beware of despising us, lest that reach to Him which you have done to us.
We all appeal to authority outside of scripture. It's just that some of us follow the correct authority and don't follow our own novel ideas like SS.Now you are appealing to authorities OUTSIDE of Scripture and extra Biblical. Only Scripture has GOD BREATHED WORDS. Cyril and Augustine statements concerning scripture ARE NOT GOD BREATHED. Only Scripture is.
In your quotations of Cyril and Augustine, they refer back to the Apostolic writers who were inspired writers of Scripture. Your quotations of Cyril and Augustine don't refer to themselves as inspired writers of Scripture. Why do you try to make them into something they are not. THE CHURCH HAS NO GOD BREATHED AUTHORITY.We all appeal to authority outside of scripture. It's just that some of us follow the correct authority and don't follow our own novel ideas like SS.
YOUR interpretation of scripture is placing YOU as an authority.
That post didn't attempt to say that they were.Your quotations of Cyril and Augustine don't refer to themselves as inspired writers of Scripture.
According to YOUR infallible interpretation of scripture? Sorry, I don't buy it.Why do you try to make them into something they are not. THE CHURCH HAS NO GOD BREATHED AUTHORITY.
Where in Scripture does it say "Church authority" is GOD BREATHED? NO WHERE. But please do make some lame argument for it.That post didn't attempt to say that they were.
According to YOUR infallible interpretation of scripture? Sorry, I don't buy it.
Oh, getting insulting are you?Where in Scripture does it say "Church authority" is GOD BREATHED? NO WHERE. But please do make some lame argument for it.
Where does the Bible teach this? This is getting tiring.Oh, getting insulting are you?
The inspired scripture tell us The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth.
1 Tim 3:15Where does the Bible teach this? This is getting tiring.
Now who is getting snippy. This conversation is over.And I thought you knew the bible
Tapping out? I understand. 1 Tim 3:15 is a tough one to argue againstNow who is getting snippy. This conversation is over.
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