Is Sexual Relations Only Purpose Procreation?

[PreacherMan4U]

This subject came up in another forum and needs it's own place.

Is sexual relations only meant for procreative purposes?
Please feel free to vote and give you reasons that support your vote.



Mike

 

[tulc]

it's for fun too!
tulc(and good for you!)

 

[kierkegaard214]

it's for fun too!
tulc(and good for you!)

i agree wholeheartedly

 

[shinbits]

Helps you fall deeper in love too. Especially if you've both waited 'till marriage, and your spouse is the only one you've slept with.

 

[SammeyDW]

I believe that sex has a two fold purpose it is for Procreation but it is also an enjoyable ( for both ) bond building experience as two people share with the one they love what only they can share.
It is the best if both have waited until marriage.
As sex is only to be experienced in the contents of marriage.

 

[MATTHEWE]

I am in no doubt that the sole purpose of sexual relations is procreation. This is what God intended.

Genesis
1Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, `Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

2And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden,

3but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, `Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it,lest ye die.'"

I don't believe God was referring to literal death here, but rather to a kind of spiritual and moral death

4And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die;

5for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Meaning, she will no longer interpret the world in innocence and naivety as God intended, but will be unable to look upon a naked form (in this case Adam's) without her mind rapidly descending into the gutter

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and ate, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he ate.

7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves things to gird about.

Obviously, they must have noticed they were naked before, but placed no significance upon it. However, having eaten of the Forbidden Fruit, they now looked upon one another and were no longer confronted with the impression of naked innocence, but rather something of a shamefully salacious and distasteful significance. No doubt Adam would have been shocked to find himself standing to before Eve's wanton display, and with dreadful embarrasment, quickly rushed to cover themselves up. It was at this precise point, that the possibility of sexual relations for any purpose other than procreation came into being, as a direct consequence of Eve not doing as she was told.

God was clearly so angry about this, he banished them from the Garden of Eden and placed a burden upon them evermore.

So, it is clear to me, that if we are to earn the approval of our Lord, we must aspire to be like Adam and Eve before the Serpent tempted them toward sin. Enjoying intimate union for its own sake draws a very clear parallel with Eve's original sin, and if it couldn't be tolerated then, it certainly shouldn't be tolerated now.

 

[shinbits]

I am in no doubt that the sole purpose of sexual relations is procreation.

Proverbs 5:18-19 (New International Version)

18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. 19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be captivated by her love.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

it's for fun too!
tulc(and good for you!)

Amen to that, but only between husband and wife (and we are not to deprive on another). God made sex a wonderful gift for a man and woman who are married . It is then HOLY before God. Sex outside of this context is awful, terrible sin.

In Christ,
Kenith

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

I am in no doubt that the sole purpose of sexual relations is procreation. This is what God intended.

I am in no doubt that you have not studied the Scriptures enough on this subject. Start a study in Song of Songs (sometimes Song of Solomon). That book is included in the Canon of Scripture to disprove that opinion.


In Christ,
Kenith

 

[Peppermint Patty]

Matthewe, your position simply isn't biblical. You're reading more into those verses than what is there. God made our bodies to enjoy sex; if the sole purpose was for procreation, He wouldn't have programmed our minds and emotions to enjoy intimacy with our beloved spouses. Besides that, have you read Song of Songs? Those people had sex on their minds, not procreation. And it was good.

 

[Mister Emu]

Yes and no...

Sex is also pleasurable, and bonds two persons closer... but it should always be open to the possibilty of procreation

 

[MATTHEWE]

Yes and no...

Sex is also pleasurable, and bonds two persons closer... but it should always be open to the possibilty of procreation

Peace be with you, Mister Emu. You speak righteously. This is the point I have been making all along and is certainly not contradicted in the Song of Solomon as far as I can see. Intimate union can only be pure and good in the context of marriage where procreation is the objective. This indeed warrants an intense spiritual pleasure, but this is not the same as a couple united in Holy Matrimony ogling and leering at one another and debasings God's design.

God Bless

 

[lonelyflower]

it's for fun too!
tulc(and good for you!)

 

[HuntingMan]

This subject came up in another forum and needs it's own place.

Is sexual relations only meant for procreative purposes?
Please feel free to vote and give you reasons that support your vote.



Mike

I think anyone who thinks it is only for that ought to read Song of Solomon about 4000 times.

 

[HuntingMan]

Yes and no...

Sex is also pleasurable, and bonds two persons closer... but it should always be open to the possibilty of procreation

That depends.
There are surely people out there like myself with terrible genetic hereditary disorder that has already affected one daughter that should think carefully before tormenting the life of another child.

 

[HuntingMan]

Enjoying intimate union for its own sake draws a very clear parallel with Eve's original sin, and if it couldn't be tolerated then, it certainly shouldn't be tolerated now.

Can we assume you believe that the 'fruit' was sex then?
Wouldnt that mean that Eve committed bestiality with a snake, if you do indeed believe this way?

Just asking because some people do believe this way.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Peace be with you, Mister Emu. You speak righteously. This is the point I have been making all along and is certainly not contradicted in the Song of Solomon as far as I can see. Intimate union can only be pure and good in the context of marriage where procreation is the objective. This indeed warrants an intense spiritual pleasure, but this is not the same as a couple united in Holy Matrimony ogling and leering at one another and debasings God's design.

God Bless

Hello Matthewe,

From what you write I would have to assume that you believe a person who is sterile, because they are unable to have children should not engage in sexual activity? How about post menopausal married women, should they become celibate because they are no longer able to have children?



I am the father of four children, and I wish that married Christians would not follow the Western world’s move toward having fewer children, but I think your position is not quite biblical. Certainly procreation is a big deal and too many Western Christians have become humanistic and selfish – why have another kid when I can have a bigger house or a bass boat instead—and therefore find children to be a burden and not a blessing from God (which they truly are).



Procreation is a very important part of sex, but the Bible and our bodies clearly indicate that it is for more. BTW: I’ve been married for almost 23 years and I still like "ogling" at my wife .



In Christ,

Kenith

 

[MATTHEWE]

Can we assume you believe that the 'fruit' was sex then?
Wouldnt that mean that Eve committed bestiality with a snake, if you do indeed believe this way?

Just asking because some people do believe this way.

The fruit provided Eve with the knowledge of good and evil and took away her innocence. Evil manifests primarily in sex, avaricousness, greed and violence. This meant that the divine experience of procreation through intimate union was forevermore sullied and defiled with base lust, carnal greed and more than a hint of violence. You only have to look at the number of sexual terms closely associated with violence to appreciate this. This does not mean that Eve committed bestiality with a snake, she was in enough trouble as it was without plunging into the depths of depravity as far as that.

God Bless

 

[battlepig]

There is not a shred of evidence in the bible that sex was designed only for procreation. Children are indeed part and parcel of marriage, but sex was meant to be enjoyed by husband and wife in all the physical pleasure it provides. While marriage should result in children is is perfectly legitimate for a husband and wife to engage in sex just for pleasure.

The account in Genesis proves absolutely nothing of the sort. Adam and Eve felt shame because of their sudden awareness of having sinned against God. If this interpretation is correct, than husbands and wives should feel shame in each other's presence now, which is ludicrious. 1 Cor 7 states that satisfying the sexual urge is a perfectly valid reason to seek marriage, even if that would result in reduced service to the Lord.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Enjoying intimate union for its own sake draws a very clear parallel with Eve's original sin, and if it couldn't be tolerated then, it certainly shouldn't be tolerated now.

Matthewe,

This statement is a massive leap into thin air. Certainly sexual pleasure and the love of the physical aspects of your wife (or husband) is taught in Song of Songs. We see there a man ogling over the breast (and other body parts) of his new wife.

The original sin was ADAM's disobedience to God’s command. Eve was deceived, but Adam, who was with her, let her do what God had commanded HIM not to do. Adam was her head and protector. He gets the #1 blame and his held most at fault by God.


You need a whole lot more to make your point a valid one.


Coram Deo,
Kenith