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Is scripture the highest authority?
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Peter's every word after being told that he was the rock was to expound upon how we are a royal priesthood made up of living stones. That was how Peter understood it to mean. I don't know where you get your interpretation from when it's obvios what Peter's is.
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Wolf_Says
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No, Paul was never the head of the Catholic Church. That was given solely to Peter in Matthew 16:14-19. Peter was the leader of the disciples, as is shown through-out the gospels "Peter and the disciples"
I asked you to provide proof and explanation. Simply saying "Paul is" means nothing.
You told me nothing besides stating that "that scripture is debatable".
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Wolf_Says
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Paul is not the reason why Rome picked up Catholicism. Heck, Christianity was an illegal religion well after Paul died. It wasn't made legal until the early 4th century, soon after becoming the religion of the Empire, hence the name Roman Catholic Church. It also has nothing to do with Rome, the head of the Church on earth is found in the Bible, Matthew 16:14-19. It cannot get any clearer than that.
I get my interpretation between a mixture of scripture and historical context. Peter is the head of the Church here on earth, given that gift by Jesus.
What is it that you are confused about?
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Wolf_Says
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If that is the case, then why the name change? There is no "rock theory" based on the texted that I provided. I told you the original language and how it translates. Reading the entire text Jesus is blessing Peter. And once again, if the "rock theory" does not add up, then explain why Jesus then gave Peter the keys to heaven and said "whoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."?
Where does it say that Jesus is "pointing to a big rock"? All I see is this "Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare′a Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli′jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”b]">[b] 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”c]">[c] 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,d]">[d] and on this rocke]">[e] I will build my church, and the powers of deathf]">[f] shall not prevail against it.g]">[g] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,h]">[h] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ"
Now you could say "well it was written in Greek, and Peter in Greek is Petros, and the word rock is Petra! Yes, because Petra is a feminine word and needed to be made masculine because it was refering to a man. However, as I said, Jesus spoke in Aramaic, and there is no masculine or feminine difference in Aramaic for the word rock. It is Kephas, which translates to both Peter and rock.
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Wolf_Says
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So you have the power to loose someone on earth and therefore have them loosed in Heaven? I explained what those terms mean so I highly doubt you have the power to kick somebody out and therefore kick them out of Heaven.
I know I do not have that power, nor do I want it.
Honestly, I believe you are confused. I have provided the scripture and the historical context. Please do some research. Jesus is the head of His Church, and gave the responsibility of His earthly Church to Peter. There is no other way to interpret this scripture, it is as clear as day.
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Wolf_Says
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Yes, because it was foretold that the Son of God would be killed. When Peter told Jesus that this would never happen, Jesus gave him a stern warning. Peter was human and prone to sin, just like the rest of us. However that does not take away from what I asked. Why the name change? Why the addition of binding and loosing? Jesus gave no-one the keys other than Peter, otherwise it would have been stated.
This part, this is so wrong. Where is the Bible does it state that the Keys to Heaven are handed over to ANYBODY besides Peter? We do not hold the keys, and unless you become Pope you never will. We alone do not find salvation, but through the channels that Jesus had laid down for us. His Church.
The "prophets" are over, and John the baptist was the last prophet. Now there are followers of Christ, because with Christ the OT was fulfilled.
Jesus got rid of the authority of the Rabbis and Pharisees, and gave that authority to Peter and the apostles.
Honestly please stop responding with multiple posts and just keep it to one post. Just makes things cleaner.
Where does it state this in the Bible about the keys? In the exact same passage, Jesus gives Peter the keys to heaven, and the authority to bind and loose. This was not given to all the disciples, just Peter. Jesus gave the power to baptize, forgive sins, and the power of the Holy Spirit to all the disciples, but to Peter alone Jesus gave him the keys and power to bind and loose.
Why do you keep mentioning Paul as if you believe that Paul was wrong? The writings of Paul are also in the Bible, and have been declared divinely inspired by the Catholic Church, who gave the world the Bible in the 4th century.
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