Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas? (2)

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
The bible is dogma, and its all we need.

Where's that, in the Bible?

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Root of Jesse said:
But God told us who to listen to-the ordained ministerial priesthood...it's you that doesn't like the truth. Purgatory is inconvenient, the Real Presence of Christ is inconvenient. The seven Deuterocanonicals contain inconvenient truth-so you just remove them from your consciousness. God is love, Love is Sacrifice.

God said that we are all priests and Christ is the high priest. Thats what God said

God tells us to follow the Lord, Paul, peter, james and John

And i do.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Root of Jesse said:
Where's that, in the Bible?

Everywhere.

ThatTrueLight · Apr 27, 2015

Kind of like GEICO

Everyone knows that..

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
The bread from heaven is the indwelling holy spirit who teaches us all things. That has nothing to do with the Lords symbolic supper. Do you honestly think that Gods power is limited to carnal things like bread and wine? What if you found yourself in a position where you had no bread and wine? What would you do then? Would Christ forsake you? Nope.

There is more than a physical element to the Eucharist? Why do you insist it must be physical or spiritual, and can't be both? It is both. I was unable to receive my Lord this past week, but was still in spiritual communion with Him.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Root of Jesse said:
There is a physical element to ordination-the laying on of hands of those who have been ordained before. Even Paul sought the laying on of hands of Peter and James.

Sorry im not buying that stuff.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
You mean your fathers? Paul didn't disagree.

John 6:35 And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Right, and Paul tells us that whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine without discerning the Body and Blood of Christ eats it and drinks it unworthily.

If it's NOT the body and blood of Christ, why would anyone eat or drink it unworthily?

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

Root of Jesse said:
Right, and Paul tells us that whoever eats the bread and drinks the wine without discerning the Body and Blood of Christ eats it and drinks it unworthily.

If it's NOT the body and blood of Christ, why would anyone eat or drink it unworthily?

You just dont see what im saying, Thats ok. Have a good day brother. I got stuff to do.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
RCC says that if we dont eat bread and wine then we have no life in us. Yet Isn't that the same as saying Christ will forsake us if we do not eat bread and wine? Do you not see the fallacy here?

Christ said that! What DID he mean?

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.a

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The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?
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Jesus said to them, Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
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Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.b
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This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.
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These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
Judge not my brother. You have no idea what you are actually judging. If the Lord does lead me then its Him you are judging, not me.

I'm not judging anything, actually. Anyone who trusts only his own interpretation of anything is his own pope. That's an observation.

Souldier · Apr 27, 2015

The Lord is with us always, we don't need to wait for sunday or any other day. We dont need to wait for the Lord supper either. He is always with us. Its a 24 hour a day relationship. Please don't rob yourself of that truth.

He said he would never leave or forsake us. Never.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
Brother, he was talking to the brethren.

That scripture agrees with Pauls words that say not to glory in men,

and Johns words where he says we need no teacher,

and the Lords words where he said the spirit would teach us all things,

and jeremiah's words that say God will put His laws in our min and on our heart.

The scripture is clearly sound doctrine for the church.

Citations, please? John never says we don't need a teacher. Jesus never said so either. In fact, what he said in this regard, he was...TEACHING.
Paul saying not to glory in men means what it means-don't put other people on a pedestal-don't idolize Britney Spears, or Hulk Hogan, or Bishop Fulton Sheen. John means what he means, too-don't self-aggrandize. Jesus was speaking to the apostles that the Holy Spirit would teach them all things. They needed a teacher, no?

There's no doctrine in Scripture. There's events that point out doctrines, but not doctrines themselves.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

ThatTrueLight said:
And you believe that?

I trust what the Church teaches.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
God said that we are all priests and Christ is the high priest. Thats what God said

God tells us to follow the Lord, Paul, peter, james and John

And i do.

There's a priesthood your missing-the ministerial priesthood. But you're right, Baptism is our ordination into the priesthood of the faithful. It requires more to be a minister, though.

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
Everywhere.

One example, please?

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
Sorry im not buying that stuff.

So you "don't buy" that Paul went to Peter and James to discuss what he had received, and then they laid hands on him? He talks about that in the beginning of Galatians, as well as in Acts. Don't buy it, though...

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

Souldier said:
The Lord is with us always, we don't need to wait for sunday or any other day. We dont need to wait for the Lord supper either. He is always with us. Its a 24 hour a day relationship. Please don't rob yourself of that truth.

He said he would never leave or forsake us. Never.

I receive Jesus in the Eucharist every day. I don't wait for Sunday, and we shouldn't wait for Sunday. In fact, we pray seven times a day liturgical prayer (mostly the Psalms), have devotional prayer several times a day, Mass every day. Who waits for Sunday? Those who aren't fervent. But then, many Protestant churches don't even has services on Christmas...amazing who's robbing themselves!
The Lord is there if you go to him. It is a journey, and can be a physical journey, a spiritual journey, or both.

ThatTrueLight · Apr 27, 2015

Root of Jesse said:
I trust what the Church teaches.

too bad it only lasts 15 minutes though huh?

Root of Jesse · Apr 27, 2015

ThatTrueLight said:
too bad it only lasts 15 minutes though huh?

What a great Christian you are! I just love the way you take things out of context, but that's just like how you read Scripture...

ThatTrueLight · Apr 28, 2015

Root of Jesse said:
What a great Christian you are! I just love the way you take things out of context, but that's just like how you read Scripture...

And look at you, getting all personal because of simply repeating what you said.

Don't expect to say the absolutely ridiculous things that you say without them being repeated... like how that Christ only lasts 15 minutes in your body.

Because that is ridiculous.. and it's even more ridiculous that men like you believe this nonsense.

Maybe your salvation is like GEICO and 15 minutes could save you..

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