Is Science the Only Means of Knowing?

[muichimotsu]

I am a Christian and voted no.
I don't need science to know that I exist.

Our sense of self is, agreed, a more axiomatic thing in terms of our basic awareness of it, but can it not be said that science, particularly psychology, can help us better understand nuances within consciousness, self, etc?

 

[InterestedAtheist]

I can be articulate online so much moreso than in real life, sadly. Or I stumble over what I might've had a cogent thought in my head putting it into words

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses

 

[muichimotsu]

H.R. Wells in Flash season...3, I think, was interesting like that in how his perspective that was more rooted in humanities and literature in particular, helped the team solve problems they might otherwise have not. That's the closest I can present in regards to me being able to somehow convey science well even though the last science class I took was my junior year, Abnormal Psychology

 

[InterestedAtheist]

H.R. Wells in Flash season...3, I think, was interesting like that in how his perspective that was more rooted in humanities and literature in particular, helped the team solve problems they might otherwise have not. That's the closest I can present in regards to me being able to somehow convey science well even though the last science class I took was my junior year, Abnormal Psychology

If you're like Harrison Wells, then you're pretty cool!

 

[muichimotsu]

If you're like Harrison Wells, then you're pretty cool!

Maybe H.R. Wells at best, Tom Cavanaugh has done no less than 7+ versions of Harrison Wells with the multiverse stuff (which will come back even though Post Crisis they keep talking like it's gone in spite of the end of Crisis showing the alternate earths. Eh, retcon later like in the comics)

 

[Tone]

How can anyone say these are things you know if we understand knowledge as both justified and true, neither of which can really be applied to something that one is required to have FAITH in to begin with rather than it being something we can verify in a consistent manner

1 John 1
"1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands— this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us."

John 20
"27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

*This was pretty much the science of those days.

 

[Uber Genius]

As always, it helps if a response accompanies your vote.

Any relation to Emir or Ergun Caner?

 

[Uber Genius]

As always, it helps if a response accompanies your vote.

Out of 18 votes we only have one devotee to scientism. That is auspicious indeed. Most atheists I engage on philosophy sites or youtube espouse some form of logical positivism, verificationism or falsificationism, missing the incoherence.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Scientists cannot know anything with 100% certainty through science and it does not claim to. Scientists are claiming that we have the best model for reality that is supported by evidence when they say something is true. Scientists try to falsify leading models, if it is falsified then it cannot be true but we can never know what is actually true with 100% certainty.

We can know true things by guessing or by faith but we cannot have any confidence that it is actually true. The scientific process gives us that confidence.

We can know a lot of things without science such as I know what my favorite color is or I know my children's names. But things that we don't know by other means science has demonstrated to be the best tool to lead to truth we have.

 

[Steve97]

Our sense of self is, agreed, a more axiomatic thing in terms of our basic awareness of it, but can it not be said that science, particularly psychology, can help us better understand nuances within consciousness, self, etc?

I was merely answering the question, "Is science the only means of knowing".

 

[Resha Caner]

Any relation to Emir or Ergun Caner?

No.

 

[muichimotsu]

I was merely answering the question, "Is science the only means of knowing".

Depending on whether you mean acquiring knowledge or being certain of that knowledge in a reliable manner, not the same thing at all, one's process, one's the conclusion

 

[muichimotsu]

1 John 1
"1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands— this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us."

John 20
"27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

*This was pretty much the science of those days.

Except that's simplistic empiricism at best, not remotely scientific, just taking your experiences at face value and not investigating further in any sense. I could be Thomas and still not believe Jesus was God if I confirmed it was him that came back and checked his wounds, it's not that simple

 

[muichimotsu]

Out of 18 votes we only have one devotee to scientism. That is auspicious indeed. Most atheists I engage on philosophy sites or youtube espouse some form of logical positivism, verificationism or falsificationism, missing the incoherence.

That still seems like a small sample size and not representative anyway beyond some vague statistical idea that any sufficiently large number of people you meet are more commonly what you'd expect of the group.

By all means enumerate how those are necessarily incoherent or contradictory except when held absolutely

 

[Larniavc]

If you're like Harrison Wells, then you're pretty cool!

I too like Dr/Mr/Prof Wells.

 

[muichimotsu]

I too like Dr/Mr/Prof Wells.

More like Tom Cavanaugh just does a fantastic job (and I think I undercounted a lot, there are probably double digits worth of Harrison Wells in The Flash's coverage, including some that are French...or German...or a cyborg in one universe, it's crazy how a character that didn't exist in the comics has become so complex, though I imagine DC Comics has other characters with myriad doppelgangers (which just confuses my head since Fire Force, by the author of Soul Eater, has introduced doppelgangers as a concept, but it's more like DC's antimatter universe or such in that your double tries to take over and certain things I happen I won't spoil)

 

[Steve97]

Depending on whether you mean acquiring knowledge or being certain of that knowledge in a reliable manner, not the same thing at all, one's process, one's the conclusion

Once more, I was simply answering a simple question.

 

[muichimotsu]

Questions are rarely simple when we talk about abstract concepts that aren't as basic as whether something's physical constitution has particular minerals or is in a particular state of matter.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As always, it helps if a response accompanies your vote.

I would say experience can be a way of knowing.

 

[Resha Caner]

I would say experience can be a way of knowing.

Agreed.