Is running/fleeing scriptural?

[Gnarwhal]

My dad and I had this discussion about "escaping" if a martial law scenario or some other type of catastrophic event were to ever occur in America. We have a place to go, it'd been prepared. But his argument is that he's not sure it's scriptural to run from these things. I'm pretty sure it is but I can't think of the precise scriptures that speak of fleeing in a certain hour.

What do you guys have?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Many people have such plans. It's a way of protecting ourselves. Anyone who isn't stocking up on food and water, at the minimum, is foolish. This government intends to control people, lock up food supply (bans on fishing and gardening), criminalize those who disagree with them. Illegal to fish: http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

We do these things to survive.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

My dad and I had this discussion about "escaping" if a martial law scenario or some other type of catastrophic event were to ever occur in America. We have a place to go, it'd been prepared. But his argument is that he's not sure it's scriptural to run from these things. I'm pretty sure it is but I can't think of the precise scriptures that speak of fleeing in a certain hour.

What do you guys have?

at 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another:...

Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.ct 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, ...

 

[AoDoA]

Rev 18:

4I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; 5for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

 

[Jon0388g]

My dad and I had this discussion about "escaping" if a martial law scenario or some other type of catastrophic event were to ever occur in America. We have a place to go, it'd been prepared. But his argument is that he's not sure it's scriptural to run from these things. I'm pretty sure it is but I can't think of the precise scriptures that speak of fleeing in a certain hour.

What do you guys have?

Look at what the angel said to Lot upon taking him from Sodom:


"And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed." Genesis 19:17


When the time comes for God's people to flee to the mountains, we must be ready, and not even look back! This is a recurring theme in the Bible, and Christ said of the final days:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Matthew 24:15-21


The question is: what is the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, that Christ warns against?



Jon

 

[Bible2]

Slanky08:
I can't think of the precise scriptures that speak of fleeing in a certain hour.

Matthew 10:23 commands Christians to flee persecution whenever it occurs. And Matthew 24:15-16 commands Christians to flee into the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place. This refers to Daniel 11:31, which could refer to the Antichrist and his followers setting up a standing image of the Antichrist in the holy place of a Third Temple which will exist in Jerusalem during the coming tribulation (Revelation 11:1). The Antichrist himself will also sit in the Temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Everyone will have to worship the Antichrist and his image or be killed (Revelation 13:15) by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4). Christians will be hated and killed in every nation (Matthew 24:9-13). That's why the church will flee into the mountains (Matthew 24:16), the wilderness (Revelation 12:6), and stay there during the 1,260 days (Revelation 12:6), or 42 months (Revelation 13:5), of the world-reign of the Antichrist, when the whole world will be deceived into worshipping Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the beast) (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 19:20, 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

When Jesus returns and gathers together the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1), after the tribulation is over (Matthew 24:29-31), he will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20) and have Satan bound in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-3). Jesus could return 1,335 days after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11-12). The 75 days between the end of the 1,260 days of the world-reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 12:6) and the return of Jesus (Revelation 19:7-21) could be taken up by the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), which will be poured out on the Antichrist and his followers (Revelation 16:2-21). Those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time (Revelation 16:15) will go into protective chambers which they will have built for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20), just as Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they had built for themselves on the earth (Genesis 7:7).

 

[Znex]

We shouldn't necessarily escape without seeking counsel from The Lord. The Bible's all fine and good, but it is not necessarily addressed to us: instead, it is to be an example for us.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

David fled to save is life from Saul and from Absolom, because he did not want to have to kill either of them.

 

[gracechick]

Could it be more individual according to God's plan?

If we all run, which sounds good to me, who will be there to minister and comfort those in the crowds that are rounded up like a herd of animals? Appears some of us should be there as these people will be desperate not knowing Christ and having the Lord's protective hand.

Being honest I am as apprehensive as the next person. And thinking of family and those I care about being arrested ect. is excruciating and I know full well I will need every once of grace I'm given to withstand till the rapture. I'm currently not certain how much I need to be prepare with the necessities and where we should run too.

I suspect those from the city and coast will be running this way as we currently live in a semi rural area where food and cover will be more accessible. It could get very nasty as people are already appearing quite desperate and a disaster or a false flag could send many of the US population into a frenzy.

Good discussion.

 

[spidergains]

It seems to me that escaping the Tribulation is not physically possible, for it will encompass the entire earth, whether it be by natural disasters, wars, famine, disease, persecution, etc.

Rather, the escape must come about by placing all our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ at the exclusion of everything that will be going on around us:

Luke 21:34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

 

[SummaScriptura]

I dunno.

Ever heard the phrase, I think its from the colonial period, "Praise the Lord, and keep the powder dry"?

 

[gracechick]

I'm thinking there will be antigun legislation seconds after some tragedy hits. I remember someone's dream where she talked of feeling as if there was famine in the land. But the odd part she said is there were people preparing food with knives and more primitive utensils.

 

[Gnarwhal]

I'm thinking there will be antigun legislation seconds after some tragedy hits. I remember someone's dream where she talked of feeling as if there was famine in the land. But the odd part she said is there were people preparing food with knives and more primitive utensils.

I agree, and I'm sure after this whole incident in Michigan and Indiana that the passage of such legislation will be accelerated. I have a feeling it'll be used as a catalyst to paint anyone who wishes to defend themselves and their families the same as those people.

 

[AoDoA]

It seems to me that escaping the Tribulation is not physically possible, for it will encompass the entire earth, whether it be by natural disasters, wars, famine, disease, persecution, etc.

Rather, the escape must come about by placing all our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ at the exclusion of everything that will be going on around us:

Luke 21:34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

I think Noah is a good example of what is going to happen

Noah was not taken from the earth during the flood but God did prepare him and kept him safe during the flood

some see this as symbolic of the rapture but I disagree, Noah still had to endure the flood but he was protected and guided by God so that while he did go through it he was also safe

 

[zeke37]

My dad and I had this discussion about "escaping" if a martial law scenario or some other type of catastrophic event were to ever occur in America. We have a place to go, it'd been prepared. But his argument is that he's not sure it's scriptural to run from these things. I'm pretty sure it is but I can't think of the precise scriptures that speak of fleeing in a certain hour.

What do you guys have?

God will KEEP the faithful through that time...'till the end
we can't leave the planet or run and escape to a place where nothing happens...we cannot avoid what is coming...
it is a test by God for all of the earth...for both those that He is happy with and those that He is not

but one can certainly be prepared,
self sufficient
and therefore not have to use any world currency (part of the mark of the beast)

those days have been shortened for the elect's sake...IMO REV9's 5 months.

one can be sealed with the truth and be an instrument for the Lord to use against the Beast...a virgin bride to be
or one can me be marked with the mark of the beast and become a harlot instead of a faithful virgin bride.

We shouldn't necessarily escape without seeking counsel from The Lord. The Bible's all fine and good, but it is not necessarily addressed to us: instead, it is to be an example for us.

ouch...that's sad

if one reads, and follows, one is blessed
Christ fulfills the Word, and we are Christians...
so the Word is written for us big time...


1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It seems to me that escaping the Tribulation is not physically possible, for it will encompass the entire earth, whether it be by natural disasters, wars, famine, disease, persecution, etc.

Rather, the escape must come about by placing all our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ at the exclusion of everything that will be going on around us:

Luke 21:34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

nicely said

the end time famine is not for literal food, but for spiritual food, the word of God,
the flood from the dragon's mouth is a flood of lies, not a literal flood of water
the waters are peoples, not literal H20
many symbols....

but we are all here for all of it.

 

[zeke37]

I think Noah is a good example of what is going to happen

Noah was not taken from the earth during the flood but God did prepare him and kept him safe during the flood

some see this as symbolic of the rapture but I disagree, Noah still had to endure the flood but he was protected and guided by God so that while he did go through it he was also safe

I think it is symbolic of the rapture/gathering to Christ, which is post trib of course, not pre or mid trib

Noah was kept...he rode out the storm, for 5 months (Rev9 is likened to this and Joel 2 IMO)
having faith in God
God brought him to a renewed land,
Noah was very blessed.