Is refusing medical treatment tantamount to suicide?

[Astrid]

The Bible Record indicates that the Creator Always Does What is Best, and that His Children, Children of Light, Lights in this world of darkness and sin, are likewise to let others know that we must ob thatediently by faith and in grace always seek what is best for others, even for our enemies.

The god portrayed in the Bible does not remotely
show equal valuing of all lives.

if you knov better than what the actual narrative
says, you won't demonstrate it with an assertion
of what you think, no matter how many words
you randomly make into proper nouns.

Especially as you dont remotely provide
evidence thar ordering all persons killed is
what is best for the victims. Still less that
killing children is in their, or their parents' best
Interests OR that " does what's best" = caring
abou their individual rights to life.

 

[Astrid]

King David at the point in time I quoted his word , in Scripture,
seemed to be asking , seeking, or wondering about a "reason".

Terrif. The claim was valuing all lives / ALL lives
equally.

In the event, one guy who is claimed to have seemed
to have asked a question doesn't take this very far.

The bible narrative portrays a god who does not
place the same value on all lives.

Why go extra- biblical and deny that?

 

[Astrid]

Is not the thought of "individual rights" , including "to life",
a human contraption / design that inflates the individual to some subset
or set of people
as if they have those rights ?

Ah. Yes, I strayed from the narrative.
Not" right to life" but God valuing all
lives.
We have not seen evidence that the claim is valid.

 

[Astrid]

Can you remind who made this claim ? Either one - valuing all lives, or valuing all lives equally ?



If you yourself took up a craft, like pottery, and over time made one, two, or three hundred pots, like flower pots, or soup pots,

who would get to decide what if anything the pots would be used/useful for ?

Who would get to decide which ones to keep, and which ones to sell, and which ones to throw in the trash heap ?

Ive heard that "potter" thing
about a thousand times.

But never mind all that.
You agree that God, as per Bible, places
no evidencent value at all one the, um.
pots that are discarded as worthless.

That's all I was saying.

 

[the Vital One]

What medical treatment has no cost? Some cancer treatment can cost $150,000 a year. My cousin inherited, then in the same year reported she was sick with an incurable disease. She died a year later at about 60. My grandfather died at about 85 of colon cancer. After awhile the doctor stopped the treatment. He died at home. His wife died about two years later of colon cancer in an assisted living facility.

You have to keep trying.

Nowhere did I say that there's a medical treatment without cost. I said that for the purpose of our hypothetical discussion, cost is not a problem. That means that one would not decline medical treatment due to the cost being a burden on anyone.

 

[dqhall]

I choose to stay away from 'medical', and go with LIFE...
Ten dollars a day to prevent all problems of health that the sickness industry wants to put on everyone. And, sadly, devastatingly, they have succeeded overwhelmingly ....

Having good health before you are 40 is commonplace. Having good health past the age of 80 is not guaranteed. Most men in America die before they are 80.

 

[Chris04]

As a 19 year old college student who really shouldn't even be living in the first place, I would say that it depends on what you feel. If you feel in your heart to refuse medical treatment, then by all means do so. If you feel like you should do medical treatment, then hey, go for it.

Like someone said earlier, God does not require you to extend your Earthly life. I mean, when you think about it, all of our choices are really up to us. God just steers us in the direction he wants us to go.

 

[Zoii]

Assume that the medical treatment is necessary to keep living and that cost is not a problem.

This is common place when it comes to end-of-life scenarios. The decision to refuse ongoing treatment is examined by the patient as to whether treatment is a prolongation of death, or indeed the provision of a quality life. And it doesn't have to be refusal for treatment - it can be merely a decision to stop eating and drinking. In any case its no-one's decision but the patient's OR in the context where a patient does not have the ability to competently decide, their next of kin's.

 

[Zoii]

From your sig "ouir children will die of climate change..."


No. More likely most people die of pollution, including medical assisted pollution /of the body/.

Last read statistics I remember were ten thousand a day, every day, for years, dying of pollution... thousands of times more than any 'legal named' disease.
Is it at all ethical or moral to distract people from the truth ?

You're off topic - Stick to the OP and not banners any posters have in their signatures.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Let us know where along the continuum
"extraordinary" starts.

56. A person has a moral obligation to use ordinary or proportionate means of preserving his or her life. Proportionate means are those that in the judgment of the patient offer a reasonable hope of benefit and do not entail an excessive burden or impose excessive expense on the family or the community..

57.A person may forgo extraordinary or disproportionate means of preserving life. Disproportionate means are those that in the patient’s judgment do not offer a reasonable hope of benefit or entail an excessive burden, or impose excessive expense on the family or the community.

https://www.usccb.org/about/doctrine/ethical-and-religious-directives/upload/ethical-religious-directives-catholic-health-service-sixth-edition-2016-06.pdf