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Is outsourcing good or bad for America?

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It doesn't help the people who get jobs; they lose jobs, either entirely or "partially", in terms of contrast with "traditional" markets where jobs weren't temporary as so many of them currently are in corporate contexts. The problem is exacerbated even more (perhaps most) in consideration of technology, where "robots" (a cover-all term for automation) are doing the jobs that people once were, with advancements coming at shocking speed. Lower costs for businesses, sure -- big business, and less room for small business, which initially could compete more with a more localized economy where global competition didn't result in cutthroat prices that attracted consumers. Cost lowering for businesses is something that businesses that are capable of lowering costs can do -- namely, big ones. This problem, also, will be exacerbated when a less local-limited generation learns the simplicity of buying outside of his town, state, and even nation, primarily through the Internet. Who on earth would pay $25 for hardcover book that can be bought for almost half this without sales tax on amazon.com?

And globalization has the enormous (but not-often articulated) problem of concentration of power in terms of multinational corporations gaining size. Well, there are some of us who don't arbitrarily cut the line of bigness being a problem with the government. Simply in a lobbying context, Lord knows how much damage mammoth international corporations could do to a "wee" federal government -- and, of course, already have.

Well, the whole problem isn't that mysterious. Capitalism is driven by competition, which works good and well within boundaries. The most practical solution would be (and is becoming) the dissemination of knowledge for consumers that their preferences for lower prices is directly linked to rising job insecurity, many times for themselves. That, of course, means weaning people away from the Reagan-warmed myth that consumerism is the essence of what it means to be an American. And that will take time.

The clearest benefit of globalization has been lowered costs. However, what it's shown is that these costs have their own cost -- the lowered wages of the individual, which are the most expendable thing in terms of corporate attempts to get ahead in a brutally competitive market (that's really what globalization means: intranational competition + brutal). If wages are being continually lowered at a higher acceleration than costs are dropping, it's the owners of the corporations (and their government pals who keep them in good graces) who get the benefits over time. And this is exactly what we've seen over the last thirty-plus years, where income inequality has skyrocketed in favor of the rich -- from approximately 7% for the top 1% in the 70s to 23.5% in 2007 for the same 1%.

Hey, we've got problems. My starting point is not to deny that they're problems simply because we don't have current solutions to them.
 
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Outsourcing isn't bad for anyone. Obviously it helps the people who get jobs, but it also means lower costs for business, which in turn means higher wages and/or lower prices, which means for consumer spending. Everyone loves to gripe about the "lost" jobs from NAFTA, but than fail to mention that more new jobs were avtually created after it's initiation, resulting in a net increase.

That is true of NAFTA but what about the 1,591,101 jobs in 2010 that went to India and other places not in the western hemisphere? Are you saying that caused a net increase in jobs?

U.S. Jobs lost from the categories of management, Computers, Business, Architecture, Life Sciences, Legal Art, design, and Sales

Year 2000 = 102,674 jobs lost to outsourcing

Year 2010 = 1,591,101 jobs lost to outsourcing

Year 2015 (projected) = 3,320,213 jobs lost to outsourcing

http://jobs.lovetoknow.com/Facts_and_Figures_on_Outsourcing


 
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Wealth is a function of cost, not wages. If the cost of everything you buy goes down and your wages stagnate, you are actually ahead of the game.

Disagree. Wealth is a function of cost relative to wages (and vice versa). Your example assumes that cost goes down proportionate to wages. The real question should be: are costs going down more than wages, or are wages going down more than costs?

Say the annual cost of everything I buy (example) is initially $100. (Although unrealistic) I make $100/year. If cost goes down to $99 and my yearly earnings also go down to $99, I'm doing fine. If cost drops to $90 and I make $98, I'm (as you're positing) doing well despite my stagnating wages. My buying power is relative both to how much money I have and how much a commodity costs.
 
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That is true of NAFTA but what about the 1,591,101 jobs in 2010 that went to India and other places not in the western hemisphere? Are you saying that caused a net increase in jobs?

Indirectly, yes. Outsourcing helps business cut costs, and thus allows more jobs to be created.
 
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Outsourcing isn't bad for anyone. Obviously it helps the people who get jobs, but it also means lower costs for business, which in turn means higher wages and/or lower prices, which means for consumer spending. Everyone loves to gripe about the "lost" jobs from NAFTA, but than fail to mention that more new jobs were avtually created after it's initiation, resulting in a net increase.

NAFTA still has that big 'sucking sound'. :)
 
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Indirectly, yes. Outsourcing helps business cut costs, and thus allows more jobs to be created.

Not quite. 'Costs' create more money, which is the lifeblood of the economy. If costs go down less money is produced and the economy suffers. 'Money' is 'labor-in-waiting'. No money, no new jobs. It has already been stated that buying power diminishes with wages. If business wants to sell their stuff in America the customers must have enough money to purchase it. This means keeping wages high, and jobs here. Low wages paid in outsourced countries ultimately defeats the purpose of low costs as eventually no one can afford to buy anything.
 
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That is true of NAFTA but what about the 1,591,101 jobs in 2010 that went to India and other places not in the western hemisphere? Are you saying that caused a net increase in jobs?
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Indirectly, yes. Outsourcing helps business cut costs, and thus allows more jobs to be created.



I found a source that proves your statement about NAFTA to be true but cannot find anything on the NON-Western Hemisphere outsourcing.
Can you post a source that substantiates your statement of “Indirectly, yes”?
 
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