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Is our eating killing us and our planet at the same time?

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A little reading, then perhaps a little chatting:

'....Vegetables still healthful

Both sets of researchers said their conclusion — that cooked food and meat were necessary for human brain development — is not a statement of how the human diet must have been but rather how it likely was in order to make humans “human.”

With supermarkets and refrigeration, humans today can and increasingly do eat a vegetarian or vegan diet year-round. And given the amount of heart-stopping saturated fats in factory-produced animal products, a plant-based diet can be more healthful.

Yet both extremes of the meat argument — the unapologetic meat-eater and the raw vegan — should remember that few of today’s so-called natural foods were around as little as a few hundred years ago, from the modern invention called corn-fed beef to genetically altered strains of Queen Anne’s lace called the carrot.

There are many reasons to go vegetarian, go vegan and even go raw, but evolution isn’t one of them.' ( Sorry, vegans: Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains : https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4d36de-326d-11e2-bb9b-288a310849ee_story.html )


'....Rich food

In fact, meat eating is already on the decline in the United States. It reached its peak in 2007. According to Janet Larsen, director of research at the nonprofit Earth Policy Institute, Americans collectively consumed 55 billion pounds (25 billion kilograms) of meat that year. This year, consumption will total about 52 billion pounds (22 billion kg). Beef eating has dropped off the most.

One driver, Larsen said, is health; another is environmental concerns, because meat production contributes greatly to greenhouse gas emissions and thus global warming. But the primary reason meat-eating has fallen is the rising price of meat, especially beef, Larsen said. And that reflects the increasing price of the corn used to feed livestock. ....' ( Will People Really Be Forced To Stop Eating Meat? : http://www.livescience.com/22814-meat-eating-vegetarianism.html )
 

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A little reading, then perhaps a little chatting:

'....Vegetables still healthful

Both sets of researchers said their conclusion — that cooked food and meat were necessary for human brain development — is not a statement of how the human diet must have been but rather how it likely was in order to make humans “human.”

With supermarkets and refrigeration, humans today can and increasingly do eat a vegetarian or vegan diet year-round. And given the amount of heart-stopping saturated fats in factory-produced animal products, a plant-based diet can be more healthful.

Yet both extremes of the meat argument — the unapologetic meat-eater and the raw vegan — should remember that few of today’s so-called natural foods were around as little as a few hundred years ago, from the modern invention called corn-fed beef to genetically altered strains of Queen Anne’s lace called the carrot.

There are many reasons to go vegetarian, go vegan and even go raw, but evolution isn’t one of them.' ( Sorry, vegans: Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains : https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4d36de-326d-11e2-bb9b-288a310849ee_story.html )


'....Rich food

In fact, meat eating is already on the decline in the United States. It reached its peak in 2007. According to Janet Larsen, director of research at the nonprofit Earth Policy Institute, Americans collectively consumed 55 billion pounds (25 billion kilograms) of meat that year. This year, consumption will total about 52 billion pounds (22 billion kg). Beef eating has dropped off the most.

One driver, Larsen said, is health; another is environmental concerns, because meat production contributes greatly to greenhouse gas emissions and thus global warming. But the primary reason meat-eating has fallen is the rising price of meat, especially beef, Larsen said. And that reflects the increasing price of the corn used to feed livestock. ....' ( Will People Really Be Forced To Stop Eating Meat? : http://www.livescience.com/22814-meat-eating-vegetarianism.html )

Diet is always important to health, no question.

IMO though, what is negatively impacting health more than anything, is more and more people live a sedentary life style and don't get close to enough physical activity. When you don't burn as many calories, eating in a bad way has a more detrimental impact.

The human body was designed to be active, for optimum performance.
 
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Will People Really Be Forced To Stop Eating Meat? :

I reckoned that the amount of meat a person "should" consume is about equivalent to one chicken every month.
That will make all your concerns in the OP disappeared.
 
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Diet is always important to health, no question.

IMO though, what is negatively impacting health more than anything, is more and more people live a sedentary life style and don't get close to enough physical activity. When you don't burn as many calories, eating in a bad way has a more detrimental impact.

The human body was designed to be active, for optimum performance.

Granted. A change in lifestyle is what is important however the bigger picture of how food is/has being created by mankind and put on the shelf for the general public or shared with the starving masses who aren't as well-informed as yourself --- with regard the harm which they are doing their bodies and our planet in the long run is the true "beast" which needs to be addressed here.

Are you vegan or vegetarian?
 
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A little reading, then perhaps a little chatting:

'....Vegetables still healthful

Both sets of researchers said their conclusion — that cooked food and meat were necessary for human brain development — is not a statement of how the human diet must have been but rather how it likely was in order to make humans “human.”

With supermarkets and refrigeration, humans today can and increasingly do eat a vegetarian or vegan diet year-round. And given the amount of heart-stopping saturated fats in factory-produced animal products, a plant-based diet can be more healthful.

Yet both extremes of the meat argument — the unapologetic meat-eater and the raw vegan — should remember that few of today’s so-called natural foods were around as little as a few hundred years ago, from the modern invention called corn-fed beef to genetically altered strains of Queen Anne’s lace called the carrot.

There are many reasons to go vegetarian, go vegan and even go raw, but evolution isn’t one of them.' ( Sorry, vegans: Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains : https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4d36de-326d-11e2-bb9b-288a310849ee_story.html )


'....Rich food

In fact, meat eating is already on the decline in the United States. It reached its peak in 2007. According to Janet Larsen, director of research at the nonprofit Earth Policy Institute, Americans collectively consumed 55 billion pounds (25 billion kilograms) of meat that year. This year, consumption will total about 52 billion pounds (22 billion kg). Beef eating has dropped off the most.

One driver, Larsen said, is health; another is environmental concerns, because meat production contributes greatly to greenhouse gas emissions and thus global warming. But the primary reason meat-eating has fallen is the rising price of meat, especially beef, Larsen said. And that reflects the increasing price of the corn used to feed livestock. ....' ( Will People Really Be Forced To Stop Eating Meat? : http://www.livescience.com/22814-meat-eating-vegetarianism.html )
According to the American Heart Association:

"Why Are Chicken, Fish and Beans Better Than Red Meat?

In general, red meats (beef, pork and lamb) have more cholesterol andsaturated (bad) fat than chicken, fish and vegetable proteins such as beans. Cholesterol and saturated fat can raise your blood cholesterol and make heart disease worse. Chicken and fish have less saturated fat than most red meat. The unsaturated fats in fish, such as salmon, actually have health benefits. Omega-3 fatty acids, found in fish and some plant sources, may reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease."

The problem is that a lot of fish is farmed even though it is raised in the ocean. So the fish are fed grains and food that is not as healthy as natural fish that are not farmed. The salmon they sell in the stores now are HUGE, clearly much bigger then the Natural Salmon we find in Alaska. There are reports that what they sell as Tuna now is not Tuna at all.

As a general rule they want you to eat food that is not processed and is in as natural of a state as you can find. We tend to do all our own cooking and my wife does not even use seasoning from a bottle. She will use fresh ginger, garlic, onions and so on to season her food.
 
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A little reading, then perhaps a little chatting:

'....Vegetables still healthful

Both sets of researchers said their conclusion — that cooked food and meat were necessary for human brain development — is not a statement of how the human diet must have been but rather how it likely was in order to make humans “human.”

With supermarkets and refrigeration, humans today can and increasingly do eat a vegetarian or vegan diet year-round. And given the amount of heart-stopping saturated fats in factory-produced animal products, a plant-based diet can be more healthful.

Yet both extremes of the meat argument — the unapologetic meat-eater and the raw vegan — should remember that few of today’s so-called natural foods were around as little as a few hundred years ago, from the modern invention called corn-fed beef to genetically altered strains of Queen Anne’s lace called the carrot.

There are many reasons to go vegetarian, go vegan and even go raw, but evolution isn’t one of them.' ( Sorry, vegans: Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains : https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...4d36de-326d-11e2-bb9b-288a310849ee_story.html )


'....Rich food

In fact, meat eating is already on the decline in the United States. It reached its peak in 2007. According to Janet Larsen, director of research at the nonprofit Earth Policy Institute, Americans collectively consumed 55 billion pounds (25 billion kilograms) of meat that year. This year, consumption will total about 52 billion pounds (22 billion kg). Beef eating has dropped off the most.

One driver, Larsen said, is health; another is environmental concerns, because meat production contributes greatly to greenhouse gas emissions and thus global warming. But the primary reason meat-eating has fallen is the rising price of meat, especially beef, Larsen said. And that reflects the increasing price of the corn used to feed livestock. ....' ( Will People Really Be Forced To Stop Eating Meat? : http://www.livescience.com/22814-meat-eating-vegetarianism.html )
Maybe not the planet, but yes, eating does tend to kill the things we eat.
 
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Maybe not the planet, but yes, eating does tend to kill the things we eat.
Not always, my wife has a food that she just trims off what she wants for dinner and the plant keeps on growing. Even food she buys at the grocery store sometimes she will trim it and plant it. Esp Boc Choy and things like that.
 
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Diet is always important to health, no question.

IMO though, what is negatively impacting health more than anything, is more and more people live a sedentary life style and don't get close to enough physical activity. When you don't burn as many calories, eating in a bad way has a more detrimental impact.

The human body was designed to be active, for optimum performance.
Although I am a vegan, I can't disagree with the importance of moving around and the dangers of sitting.
Personally I'm vegan for mainly ethical reasons, try to eat sorta healthy within veganism for performance reasons, and am very active both to stay fluid and pain free, and because I like to explore mountains.
 
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But the primary reason meat-eating has fallen is the rising price of meat, especially beef, Larsen said. And that reflects the increasing price of the corn used to feed livestock. ....' ( Will People Really Be Forced To Stop Eating Meat? : http://www.livescience.com/22814-meat-eating-vegetarianism.html )
Which in turn reflects the government's subsidizing of the gasohol industry for the benefit of some farmers to the disadvantage of everyone else.
 
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According to the American Heart Association:

"Why Are Chicken, Fish and Beans Better Than Red Meat?

In general, red meats (beef, pork and lamb) have more cholesterol andsaturated (bad) fat than chicken, fish and vegetable proteins such as beans. Cholesterol and saturated fat can raise your blood cholesterol and make heart disease worse. Chicken and fish have less saturated fat than most red meat. The unsaturated fats in fish, such as salmon, actually have health benefits. Omega-3 fatty acids, found in fish and some plant sources, may reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease."

The problem is that a lot of fish is farmed even though it is raised in the ocean. So the fish are fed grains and food that is not as healthy as natural fish that are not farmed. The salmon they sell in the stores now are HUGE, clearly much bigger then the Natural Salmon we find in Alaska. There are reports that what they sell as Tuna now is not Tuna at all.

As a general rule they want you to eat food that is not processed and is in as natural of a state as you can find. We tend to do all our own cooking and my wife does not even use seasoning from a bottle. She will use fresh ginger, garlic, onions and so on to season her food.

Thank you for your thoughtful response to my OP

There is meat and there is meat! (more later, I'm packing for Scotland)

Peace,
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Although I am a vegan, I can't disagree with the importance of moving around and the dangers of sitting.
Personally I'm vegan for mainly ethical reasons, try to eat sorta healthy within veganism for performance reasons, and am very active both to stay fluid and pain free, and because I like to explore mountains.

Welcome and thanks for joining this discussion

Yes, mountain climbing is the best!

Prior to coming to flat old England, I never saw so many folks in the 70 to 80 age group 'sprinting' (I exaggerate) up those hills I was waking up to climb after years of being afraid of exercise --- yet it's NOT exersize which takes the weight off! Significant changes only happen when you combine proper dieting and movement -- be it a wee trot at sunrise or some goodly Yoga type movement --- otherwise one is kept in a vicious cycle of eating rubbish and working out and will probably die of a heart disease anyhow.

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I reckoned that the amount of meat a person "should" consume is about equivalent to one chicken every month.
That will make all your concerns in the OP disappeared.

Cute, vague -- what will it take to make you disappear ;)

Yes, we as a population eat too much!

Some good rules -- eat when you're hungry and drink when you're thirsty -- BUT one huge problem is most of us were raised on junk foods and stuff that we're addicted to i.e. "SUGAR"

I'd be interested to read some statistics dealing with what the US government regarded as a good diet in the 1920s -- up until now ?

--- just as a wee primer to this thread. ( go google it juvenissun! )
 
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Yeh, that's what they call it at the pump, but I guess Ethanol is the more common term.

Oh, I don't drive a car and seldom need to fill up with Ethanol but I do enjoy alcohol :)
 
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Drinking and driving don't mix.

If you're referring to yourself, I absolutely agree - you've been floating around in cyber-space for how many years? on this forum for how many years? -- and you still cannot read the signs

I think the only conversation you enjoy, is off-topic -- sort like a child (how old are you?)
 
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Really, it's hard to imagine that you have lived that long and can hang around on this forum repeatedly making a fool of yourself --- do you have any friends, other than those here?
 
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