Is Oral Sex wrong?

[QuantaCura]

Would you agree with me that oral stimulation which does not exclude sexual intercourse which is unitive and procreative is not contraceptive?

Yeah, as long as consummation takes place where it should, it wouldn't be contraceptive.

Whatever each person in the relationship is comfortable with is okay. As soon as one person is not okay with something and is pushed into doing it against their will then that is when it becomes wrong "a sin".

What if God is not comfortable with it? This is a very new notion--that of banning God and His will from the bedroom. He is greatly involved in the maritial union--it is very Trinitarian in its nature. All Christians believed contracpetive practices were wrong until the Anglicans began to allow some in 1930. Since then, the secular sexual-revolution has destroyed the holy aspect of human sexuality and has made it into some sort of perverse recreational activity.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

In this day and age many of us cannot afford to have large families or we know we cannot handle the mental factor of having many children so we need to take matters into our own hands and either get fixed or use some sort of BC.
God says nothing against any of that.

Catholic teaching is that contracepting the sexual act is a innately wrong and if done with full knowledge and consent is a mortal sin. If you would like to know why the Catholic Church has this beautiful teaching, then feel free to start another thread about contraception or bump up an already existing birth control/NFP thread of which there are many.

God bless.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

What if God is not comfortable with it? This is a very new notion--that of banning God and His will from the bedroom. He is greatly involved in the maritial union--it is very Trinitarian in its nature. All Christians believed contracpetive practices were wrong until the Anglicans began to allow some in 1930. Since then, the secular sexual-revolution has destroyed the holy aspect of human sexuality and has made it into some sort of perverse recreational activity.

Yes, once I came to understand the meaning of our God-given sexuality and the absolute necessity that God be a part of the marriage bed, it was then that I came to realize the counterfeit that society offers us and we have been selling ourselves short.

Theology of the Body rocks! I think that history will judge that the most important thing that came out of the pontificate of John Paul II is the beautiful Theology of the Body.

 

[Michelina]

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[poppinskw]

This thread has been cleaned up and is now going to be reopened...

REMINDER! There is NO debating by non Catholic members allowed in OBOB. If you are not Catholic you are most welcome to fellowship and to ask questions..however you cannot then debate those answers if you dont agree with them.. GT is maybe a forum to go to if it is debate one is looking for.

Also please stay to topic and do not take this thread off into different directions.

Thank you.

 

[OnTheWay]

I'm curious, would anal sex be okay if one stopped and switched to natural sexual relations before completing? Assuming that the couple in question were married and not practicing artifical birth control.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

^^not sure about that, i do know that it can lead to many infections for the woman to switch from that to well the other...so it's not healthy even if it is ok.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

OnTheWay,

From what I know it is very much discouraged because of infection, not to mention I would think it would be painful and kind of degrading. With that said this is all speculation as there are no official positions taken on this and on the oral stimulation issues, as far as I am aware.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I'm curious, would anal sex be okay if one stopped and switched to natural sexual relations before completing? Assuming that the couple in question were married and not practicing artifical birth control.

I'm curious, would anal sex be okay if one stopped and switched to natural sexual relations before completing? Assuming that the couple in question were married and not practicing artifical birth control.

Probably. But it would be best if the male involved worn a condom during the anal part to prevent infection from carrying bacteria (and other things) from one place to the other.

If you get which way I'm drifting...

 

[georgie2319]

Sex is for the pourpose of marridge. Its uniting to people as one. Its spiritual meaning behind it not just a good feeling.
I know of in the old testiment that people didnt get married but they where i believe commited to one another. And thats when marridge starts is when your both commited to one another. I could be wrong. but i had sex before marridge but i felt in my heart i was already married and knew i was going to be with my husband forever. And i didnt feel that i was doing wrong because of how commited we where to one another. I didnt start having sex until a few months befoe we got married. Its also about two people comming together to witness there love for each other in frount of god.

 

[OnTheWay]

OnTheWay,

From what I know it is very much discouraged because of infection, not to mention I would think it would be painful and kind of degrading. With that said this is all speculation as there are no official positions taken on this and on the oral stimulation issues, as far as I am aware.

Why would anal sex be more degrading than oral sex in your opinion?

 

[Annabel Lee]

Why would anal sex be more degrading than oral sex in your opinion?

Because oral sex doesn't hurt.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Yes. But a lot of women really don't like oral sex .

and other women, well, lets just say I've had the concept of a "good hurt" explained to me more than once.

 

[holyorders]

I don't think we can know for sure about it. It does not necessarily mean that it is OK nor forbidden.

I don't think its safe to assume anything- thats for sure.

 

[Markh]

Of course oral sex is wrong!!!

it is a perverse act, a disordered us of the sexual faculties which are there for procreation primarily. If you say that other entrances to the body are ok for stimulation, you open a ridiculous floodgate for sex toys and all other perverse things, making the pleasure of sex your god and which all things are centred around.

It shocks me that some Catholic here actually think these perverse acts are ok-

the Fathers and Doctors would no doubts be absolutely in diagreement with you.

 

[geocajun]

Of course oral sex is wrong!!!

it is a perverse act, a disordered us of the sexual faculties which are there for procreation primarily. If you say that other entrances to the body are ok for stimulation, you open a ridiculous floodgate for sex toys and all other perverse things, making the pleasure of sex your god and which all things are centred around.

It shocks me that some Catholic here actually think these perverse acts are ok-

the Fathers and Doctors would no doubts be absolutely in diagreement with you.

Good luck supporting these assertions with the doctrine of the church Mark.

In general, the early Church fathers attitudes toward sex frankly discusts me. It does demonstrate to us that they aren't infallible and they are not speaking with any authority if speaking outside of doctrine.
Fortunately the modern church has grown out of that anti-sex culture which they lived in.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Good luck supporting these assertions with the doctrine of the church Mark.

In general, the early Church fathers attitudes toward sex frankly discusts me. It does demonstrate to us that they aren't infallible and they are not speaking with any authority if speaking outside of doctrine.
Fortunately the modern church has grown out of that anti-sex culture which they lived in.

Ok, I have a problem.

You've used the early Church fathers views on contraception in our BC arguments more than once.

Now your telling me their views on sex are suspect.

I'm so confused.

 

[FullyMT]

Ok, I have a problem.

You've used the early Church fathers views on contraception in our BC arguments more than once.

Now your telling me their views on sex are suspect.

I'm so confused.

He sorta forgot to add that oral sex is only ok if it ends in something open to life (ie, natural intercourse). Not ending in this way would be just as grave a sin as using birth control.

 

[IAMCATHOLIC]

Of course oral sex is wrong!!!

it is a perverse act, a disordered use of the sexual faculties which are there for procreation primarily.

the Fathers and Doctors would no doubts be absolutely in diagreement with you.

I disagree Mark...

First of all, sexual pleasure is a gift from God.

Secondly, there are two aspects to the marriage act that the Church has focused on when advising the faithfull. That is procreation and unitive. While it IS sinfull to avoid procreation, that does not mean that sexual stimulation, while being open to procreation, is sinful.

2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."144 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

Are we to refrain from any form of stimulation, ie "foreplay" ? I think not.

I believe RoseofLima has made the most accurate point on this subject.

Peace

 

[geocajun]

Ok, I have a problem.

You've used the early Church fathers views on contraception in our BC arguments more than once.

Now your telling me their views on sex are suspect.

I'm so confused.

I don't think thats true Charlie, I always try to use the current teaching of the church on this argument (except the didache).
But the way it works is when the early church fathers writings are in sync with doctrine they are useful and when they aren't they are not useful