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Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

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These are not even your words so you are plagiarizing. Do you know that plagiarizing is a sin?

Here is the website where you got this from: The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in Acts

When you get your theology from advocacy open internet websites then you are getting someone's opinion and, most of the time, not good theology. The content of that website is bunk.
 
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This id the only Scripture you quoted

"Gal. 5
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who [b]are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we [c]through the Spirit, [d]by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love."

I I did reply to it, nobody is JUSTIFIED by Law, however one can lose their spot to disobedience.

Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."
 
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No, the law was given to the Jews not to the Christian. You are still under the law and have fallen from grace. The Christian is under the ministry of the Spirit not under the Jewish law.
 
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All it is quoted Scripture, what is wrong with me utting that up? If I post a link NOBODY goes to it

IDK about the rest of the site, I just read that article
 
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I I did reply to it, nobody is JUSTIFIED by Law, however one can lose their spot to disobedience.

Hogwash. When you make following the law the determinant then you are attempting to justify yourself by the law. This is called Judaizing. I am amazed at the redefinition of words that you use. But you don't fool me.
 
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All it is quoted Scripture, what is wrong with me utting that up? If I post a link NOBODY goes to it

IDK about the rest of the site, I just read that article

1. You did not cite the article and attempted to pass it as your own words.
2. None of the verses even hint at a Sabbath command for the Christian. None.
 
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I feel that once one is forgiven he shold turn to obedience to the Laws of YAHWEH, as the Scriptures posted over and over stated. I believe in taking ALL the Scriptures into context, not just the ones that tickle my ears.

How about these? Are they obselete

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Acts 17:30-31, “In the past Yahweh winked at such ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent! For He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness, by a Man whom He has ordained; and He has given evidence to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”

2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

Colossians 3:24-25, “Knowing that from Yahweh you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve Yahshua the Messiah. But he who does wrong will receive the reward for the wrong he has done, and there is no respect of persons.”

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:17-18, “And if you call on the Father, Who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence. Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your fathers.”

Mattithyah 15:3, “But Yahshua answered, and said to them: and why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?”

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahweh. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

Revelation 22:12, “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be.”

Yaaqob (James) 2:26, “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also.” Can dead save?

2 Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears, and they will turn away their ears from the truth, and be turned to fables.”
 
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1. You did not cite the article and attempted to pass it as your own words.
2. None of the verses even hint at a Sabbath command for the Christian. None.

I will cite it next time, and you know the word Christian is only used 3 times in the Scriptures, and 2 of them are outsiders using it as a term to talk down on the believers?

Anyway I don't think this is fruitful for either one of us.
 
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Again, none of these verses even hint at a Sabbath command for the Christian. None. The wall of misused scripture is not working for you.
 
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I will cite it next time, and you know the word Christian is only used 3 times in the Scriptures, and 2 of them are outsiders using it as a term to talk down on the believers?

Anyway I don't think this is fruitful for either one of us.

The word Christian means follower of Christ. The title was first given to the followers of Christ at Pentecost. Those that are NOT Christian are in the outside looking in and those would be the Jews, among others. Again, the followers of the law have fallen from grace (Gal. 3).
 
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No now you have twisted Scripture. Most translations say those who try to be JUSTIFIED by law are fallen from grace.

Following Law is not murdering, not stealimg, not lying.

Yahchanan 2:4-5 &, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him
truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him."

5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
 
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First of all we must define our terms.

The Sabbath to the Jews is not the Sabbath of the New Covenant believers, therefore it would be advisable to first define our terms.

The New Covenant Sabbath observance is the central observance of WORSHIPPING GOD IN SPIRIT. Sabbath becomes our walk by faith with God. The application of the Sabbath is inward observance based on God the Holy Spirit as the central focus of worship.

We can't apply Sabbath according to the Old Covenant believers because they did not have The Temple within them.

Since a Christian is given God the Holy Spirit, therefore the believer becomes the Holy Sanctified temple of God.

You as a New Covenant believer when you worship God in Spirit observe all the Law and all the Prophets.

The central focus is on the Lord of the Sabbath and not a created 24 hour day.

If you do make outward observances central to the question of worship then you are bypassing the indwelling of the Holy Ghost by worshipping outward according to the flesh as was the Old Covenant practice.

In doing so you do commit sin by worshipping creation rather than the creator who indwells you.

Those that observe outward Sabbaths days years, lunar festivals and other celestial events are receiving the mark of the beast that places man's authority over and above the Lord of the Sabbath's.
 
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No now you have twisted Scripture. Most translations say those who try to be JUSTIFIED by law are fallen from grace.

Trying to be justified by the law is following the law. Those that follow the law will be judged by all of the law. Are you ready?

Following Law is not murdering, not stealimg, not lying.

Being in the ministry of the Spirit is much more glorious.


Scripture does not contradict itself. Take for example your verse mine in Romans 8. You omitted: Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [a]in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, [b]weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of [c]sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

1. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.
2. The law of the Spirit has set the Christian from for the law of sin and death (Jewish law).
3. The Jewish law is weak as it was through flesh.

And then we have:

9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is [d]alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [e]through His Spirit who dwells in you.


1. The Christian is NOT in the flesh but in the Spirit of God that dwells in the Christian.

2. Christians are alive because of righteousness and ONLY God can declare a person righteous and that He does at justification.



This is why Paul states earlier in Rom. 4 that:
4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,


You can't work for righteousness as you are attempting by following the law. It is not about what you, a lowly sinner, but about what God has already done in you. You either believe that you are justified by the grace of God through the son or you follow the law which makes Christ sacrifice null and it profits nothing.



The Christian is NOT a Jew and is NOT subject to the Jewish law.
 
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Your redefinition is not scriptural.
 
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Obedience to the instructions of the Creator is a sin??????? your giving me a headache, I am not about to argue this, may Yahweh forgive you, you have no idea what you are saying.

SCRIPTUALLY SPEAKING THE SABBATH IS THE MARK OF YAHWEH

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the
children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."
 
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Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

The law of sin and death is not righteous works, it is unrighteous works.

DEAD TO SIN ALIVE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS,

I GUESS YOUR DEAD TO RIGHTEOUSNESS

Shaul says the person that is not subject to the Law of Yahweh is carnal.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things
of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and
peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
 
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Obedience to the instructions of the Creator is a sin??????? <snip>

The creator sent His only begotten Son so that those that believe is Him will have eternal life. there is no "follow the law" in John 3:16. There is no requirement for the Christian to follow the Jewish law NOWHERE in the new covenant. God changed the terms and you missed it.
 
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ACTUALLY READ THIS VERSE, and why would the oppisition to the Law be done away if the L:w were done away?

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; the hatred and the opposition, to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one
body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."


Ep2:15-16, "by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, (which is ADDED TO FALSE WITNESS LOOK AT THE NEXT VERSE YOUE BIBLE TELLS ON ITS SELF) the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

THE ENMITY TO THE LAW IS DEAD NOT THE LAW

Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."

You have fallen for the lie in the garden, disobey Yahweh and you will still have life.
 
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Yahchanan 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts of The House of Yahweh, and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse
thing will come upon you."

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
Yahweh, in conformity with the faith, as Yahshua Messiah."

Yes, a man may say: You have faith,
and I have works. Show me your faith
without your works, and I will show you
my faith by my works!
 
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