Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

If Not For Grace · Oct 6, 2012

What does keeping in Holy entail? If your ox is in the ditch-get him out. and IF
you are one of the New Test. Thumpers who say tithing is void, eating pork and catfish is ok-then the Sabbath is no more. Unless you are Jewish or 7th Day Aventist, you got the day wrong..

Worry about loving God and your neighbor-when you get that down you won't be debating the details...We should honor God EVERY day..period.

New_Wineskin · Oct 7, 2012

ToxicReboMan said:
Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

He never told me that it was a sin . So , no .

LittleLambofJesus · Jan 9, 2013

NM...no post..........

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LittleLambofJesus · Apr 13, 2013

Originally Posted by ToxicReboMan

Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

New_Wineskin said:
He never told me that it was a sin . So , no .

So how do non-Jewish Christians celebrate it today where it won't be a sin?

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Epiphoskei · Apr 13, 2013

I think scripture rather goes further than just saying it's a sin. It's the essence of damnation. Remember, the seventh day rest into which we are to enter is not the seventh day of the earthly week, but the seventh day of creation, in which God may be said to have created rest. As Hebrews says, God's works were finished from the foundation of the world, so God's eschatological rest prepared for us is the rest of the seventh day, and that is the sabbath rest which remains for the people of God, which we are to enter into "today." Not Saturday, not Sunday, nor any other single day of the week. If today is called today, it is the sabbath upon which we are to rest from vainly laboring for ourselves and turn to God.

Harry3142 · Apr 13, 2013

The Sabbath was not originally intended as a day of worship; it was intended as a day of rest:

Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day. (Deuteronomy 5:12-15,NIV)

What we have here is the first law designating that there must be a weekend. The people were to work, and worship, on any of the other six days. But on the seventh day they were to refrain from all work, nor were they to require their children, their servants, or even their livestock to work on that day. Since much of their organized worship involved the sacrificing of animals, it was illegal for them to even herd those animals to the place where they would be sacrificed on the Sabbath. So on that day everything stopped for 24 hours while they 'recharged their batteries'.

And why was a day set aside to 'veg out' considered to be such a radical law? Up to this point in time there had been no weekend days. Every day was seen as a work day, with the only exceptions being certain days of the year set aside as festival days. But even on these days the people had to honor and worship the deity whose festival they were celebrating, and this entailed formalized celebrations which they were required to participate in.

So for any law to require that the people actually stop all work, and instead take time to relax and take it easy, was a complete '180' from the way in which other societies had treated their people.

Setyoufree · Apr 13, 2013

Harry3142 said:
The Sabbath was not originally intended as a day of worship; it was intended as a day of rest

Very good observation!

So for any law to require that the people actually stop all work, and instead take time to relax and take it easy, was a complete '180' from the way in which other societies had treated their people.

Sounds reasonable, but there's one problem: If you didn't rest you were stoned to death.

Numbers 15:32 When the Israelites were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses, Aaron, and the entire community. 34 They placed him in custody, because it wasn't clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses: The man should be put to death. The entire community should stone him outside the camp. 36 The entire community took him outside the camp and stoned him.

Setyoufree · Apr 13, 2013

Epiphoskei said:
As Hebrews says, God's works were finished from the foundation of the world, so God's eschatological rest prepared for us is the rest of the seventh day, and that is the sabbath rest which remains for the people of God, which we are to enter into "today." Not Saturday, not Sunday, nor any other single day of the week. If today is called today, it is the sabbath upon which we are to rest from vainly laboring for ourselves and turn to God.

You are confusing things....In Hebrews "His Rest" refers to the gospel. "Today" the unbeliever needs to enter "His Rest" in order to go from death (under the law) to life (under grace). The sign of entering "His Rest" is the 7th-day Sabbath as it points to redemption.

Setyoufree · Apr 13, 2013

New_Wineskin said:
He never told me that it was a sin . So , no .

"Under law" not keeping the Sabbath is a sin. In fact doing any sin brought death. That's the OC.

MoreCoffee · Apr 13, 2013

Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

No, failing to rest from sunset Friday to sunset on Saturday is not a sin.

ToxicReboMan said:
Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

Luke 13:14-16 NASB

But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, "There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day."

But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?

"And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

Setyoufree · Apr 13, 2013

LittleLambofJesus said:
Genesis 26:5 "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

Gal 3:17 The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

The law came 430 years after Abraham. So my commandments didn't refer to the moral law.

Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God. 3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 13, 2013

Epiphoskei said:
I think scripture rather goes further than just saying it's a sin. It's the essence of damnation. Remember, the seventh day rest into which we are to enter is not the seventh day of the earthly week, but the seventh day of creation, in which God may be said to have created rest. As Hebrews says, God's works were finished from the foundation of the world, so God's eschatological rest prepared for us is the rest of the seventh day, and that is the sabbath rest which remains for the people of God, which we are to enter into "today." Not Saturday, not Sunday, nor any other single day of the week.
If today is called today, it is the sabbath upon which we are to rest from vainly laboring for ourselves and turn to God.

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JohnRabbit · Apr 13, 2013

another classic battle!

Epiphoskei · Apr 13, 2013

Setyoufree said:
You are confusing things....In Hebrews "His Rest" refers to the gospel. "Today" the unbeliever needs to enter "His Rest" in order to go from death (under the law) to life (under grace). The sign of entering "His Rest" is the 7th-day Sabbath as it points to redemption.

Close, but not quite. God's rest in Hebrews is salvation, indeed. But to the author of Hebrews this is not a separate rest from the Sabbath in general, and the Sabbath is not a separate rest from the rest of the seventh day of creation.

bugkiller · Apr 14, 2013

Setyoufree said:
Gal 3:17 The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

The law came 430 years after Abraham. So my commandments didn't refer to the moral law.

Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God. 3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.

It also does not refer to the sabbath.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Apr 14, 2013

Setyoufree said:
Very good observation!

Sounds reasonable, but there's one problem: If you didn't rest you were stoned to death.

Numbers 15:32 When the Israelites were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses, Aaron, and the entire community. 34 They placed him in custody, because it wasn't clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses: The man should be put to death. The entire community should stone him outside the camp. 36 The entire community took him outside the camp and stoned him.

Since you are promoting the sabbath do you participate in such activity? Why not? Is the government keeping you from obeying God? Who is it you said you fear/respect?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Apr 14, 2013

Setyoufree said:
You are confusing things....In Hebrews "His Rest" refers to the gospel. "Today" the unbeliever needs to enter "His Rest" in order to go from death (under the law) to life (under grace). The sign of entering "His Rest" is the 7th-day Sabbath as it points to redemption.

On what do you base this statement?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Apr 14, 2013

Setyoufree said:
"Under law" not keeping the Sabbath is a sin. In fact doing any sin brought death. That's the OC.

Since we are under the NC as Christians the 7th day sabbath has no meaning for us. We have entered into His God's rest notprovided by the 7th day sabbath. This is clearly seen in Mat 11:28-30.

bugkiller

childofdust · Apr 14, 2013

ToxicReboMan said:
Is not honoring the Sabbath a sin?

If you're a Jew, yes. If you're a gentile, no. Gentiles came into the kingdom apart from Torah. Amen!

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 14, 2013

Originally Posted by ToxicReboMan

Is not honoring the Sabbath a sin?

childofdust said:
If you're a Jew, yes. If you're a gentile, no. Gentiles came into the kingdom apart from Torah. Amen!

The Jews would agree with that.......

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