Is mathematics anti-God?

Ark Guy · Dec 23, 2003

It's not a matter of interpretation of scripture.

It's about you guys changing scripture to meet your evolutionary needs.

Anything that refutes evolutionism is instantly considered a myth, analogy or parable.

Sheeze, the geneolgy list in the gospels is turned into a list that changes to a myth.

Individuals from the book of Genesis, mentioned as historical people in the New Testament are turned into myths.

The world wide flood is changed to a local flood.

Christ was not the creator

The 10 commandments are wrong concerning the days.

Paul was wrong in 1st Corinthians when he affirms Adam was made from the dust as per Genesis.

Adam not formed prior to Eve as the author of Timothy writes.

...the list goes on and on.

My...interpretation...as you put simply reads the bible and believes what it says.
No need to re-write it as your scientific interpretation calls for.

You change scripture which is very dangerous....how long before Jesus becomes a myth?

TheBear · Dec 23, 2003

First of all, it may be better to discuss meaning and intent of scripture, as opposed to addressing motives and intents of people. Speaking along the lines of "you guys", "the anti-Bible crowd", "theo-evos", "old tricks", and the like, does not enrich or encourage honest dialog about the core of what is being discussed - the true meaning of scripture being discussed. And yes, it is about Biblical interpretation. I know you are sincere in your beliefs about what the scripture means, but so are the rest who are participating in this Christians Only forum. A better understanding of scripture is what we are all striving for here. And, I wouldn't be so fast in accusing others of changing a literal interpretation to what may conform to a pre-concieved notion. You, for example, have changed what is literally written about the Star of Bethlehem, to mean an angel, just because it moved. The Bible does not say it's an angel, and I will not limit God from being able to physically move a bright star to anywhere He wants. I don't want to digress from this thread. I just wanted to give you a perfect example of where you do the exact same thing with scripture, as you condemn others for doing.

Bottom line, discuss scripture. Discuss meaning and intent of scripture. But, once you start slamming the participants of the discussion, the discussion itself is reduced to nothing more than mud-slinging and disrespect for others.

Ark Guy · Dec 23, 2003

Angels are often presented as stars in the bible...but that's besides the point.

About your interpretations and scripture changing, I consider it cult like.
Fortunatly salvation is not hinging on your anti-bible views. Of course once you turn jesus into a mere myth like the other biblical people, then yoour christianiity is a true cult and you then have no salvation in it.

TheBear · Dec 23, 2003

Ark Guy said:
Angels are often presented as stars in the bible...but that's besides the point.

About your interpretations and scripture changing, I consider it cult like.
Fortunatly salvation is not hinging on your anti-bible views. Of course once you turn jesus into a mere myth like the other biblical people, then yoour christianiity is a true cult and you then have no salvation in it.

Once more, I implore you, please do not attack me by call my views anti-Bible. I am not attacking you or your views. I am not inferring that your beliefs are cultic. Please, please Ark Guy, show a little more respect towards those who don't agree with your interpretation of scripture.

I'll give another example of where a literal interpretation of scripture is erroneous.

Mark 10:7-8
7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.

BTW, you still have not given us any references where ribs grow back in 2 to 3 months. Instead, we have gone off on this 'attack the participants' tangent. See what I mean?

TheBear · Dec 23, 2003

Ark Guy said:
Angels are often presented as stars in the bible...

Interesting....

Where?

Ark Guy · Dec 23, 2003

I was not looking for a reference...nor do I really care to look for a reference.

What I posted was from a link that someone else sent us to.

That's all nothing more nothing less.

Whether they do or not I don't know. That article claimed they do.

Ark Guy · Dec 23, 2003

REV 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

More star stuff

ISA 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

something interesting from Revelations;
REV 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.

something else from revelations:
REV 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Ark Guy · Dec 23, 2003

JDG 5:20 From the heavens the stars fought, from their courses they fought against Sisera.

JOB 38:7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

ISA 14:13 You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

Lotar · Dec 23, 2003

Ark Guy said:
It's not a matter of interpretation of scripture.

It's about you guys changing scripture to meet your evolutionary needs.

Anything that refutes evolutionism is instantly considered a myth, analogy or parable.

Not changing scripture, changing the interpretation of that scripture. Just like Christians did when faced with undeniable proof that the earth is not the center of the universe. It's not that scripture is wrong, but that we are not always perfect in our interpretation of it.

Sheeze, the geneolgy list in the gospels is turned into a list that changes to a myth.

Individuals from the book of Genesis, mentioned as historical people in the New Testament are turned into myths.

Perhaps not myth but representative figures in a parable presenting a simplified history for the purposes of faith.

The world wide flood is changed to a local flood.

Or more likely, a parable.

Christ was not the creator

I haven't heard anyone say that. Moving His direct involvement back a step does not reduce His significance.

The 10 commandments are wrong concerning the days.

Not wrong, just a simplistic representation.

Paul was wrong in 1st Corinthians when he affirms Adam was made from the dust as per Genesis.

All life is made from dust.

Adam not formed prior to Eve as the author of Timothy writes.

...the list goes on and on.

You insist on using the bible as a science book when it was meant only for matters of faith. If I refer to the prodigal son, does that mean he really existed? No, I'd be refering to him as an example for whatever point I am making. Whether he really existed or not is beside the point.

My...interpretation...as you put simply reads the bible and believes what it says.
No need to re-write it as your scientific interpretation calls for.

Ofcourse there is no need to rewrite it, but there is the periodic need to examine your interpretations of it.

You change scripture which is very dangerous....how long before Jesus becomes a myth?

A fallacy.

Larry · Dec 23, 2003

Ark Guy said:
Yes, the ribs do grow back, forming a new rib. This takes approximately two to three months.

What!!!???

Ark Guy · Dec 23, 2003

lotar posted the following:
You insist on using the bible as a science book when it was meant only for matters of faith. If I refer to the prodigal son, does that mean he really existed? No, I'd be refering to him as an example for whatever point I am making. Whether he really existed or not is beside the point.

What you fail to realize is that when the bible presents a parable it always is based upon factual events or events that can occur. The prodigal son is an example of such a parable.

On the other hand, the Theo-Evo sect considers the accounts in Genesis as impossible and not factual and still label it a parable, myth or allegory unlike the rest of the bible.

Do you see the differance?

Larry · Dec 23, 2003

Ark Guy said:
Yes, the ribs do grow back, forming a new rib. This takes approximately two to three months.

What!!!???

Lotar · Dec 23, 2003

Ark Guy said:
lotar posted the following:
You insist on using the bible as a science book when it was meant only for matters of faith. If I refer to the prodigal son, does that mean he really existed? No, I'd be refering to him as an example for whatever point I am making. Whether he really existed or not is beside the point.

What you fail to realize is that when the bible presents a parable it always is based upon factual events or events that can occur. The prodigal son is an example of such a parable.

On the other hand, the Theo-Evo sect considers the accounts in Genesis as impossible and not factual and still label it a parable, myth or allegory unlike the rest of the bible.

Do you see the differance?

1.) I don't think anyone here is saying that it is impossible, but that God most likely chose not to. You assume that since we say it did not happen, that we believe it could not happen.
2.) Parables are stories that did not happen, I've never heard of a definition that had it's possibility of happening as a requirment.

seebs · Dec 23, 2003

I did find a medical page supporting the claim that ribs can grow back.

rmills · Dec 23, 2003

Sorry, I am only now responding to the initial question for this thread.

God claims to be the light. This mathematically explains omnipresence. Math is a constant, man did not create it, and God created it. I do not believe that the Bible is in some strange way a mathematical problem that houses some secret solution as some have decided. Physics and mathematics are laws created by God in a manner as such to hold our time, space, and relativity together, thus giving us a construct to dwell in. Without these laws, we would simply not exist. We discover these laws by proper science but we do not change these laws. These laws do not inhibit God, as he was the creator of the laws, IE, you cannot create space and time from the confines of space and time.

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