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So it's only variance when it's someone else who has a different interpretation of the text. You alone are exempt from this. Got it.Until you define what that work of the flesh is that is called uncleanness, it is not variance. It is called Biblical correction and thus not giving any inch for rationalization to occur, no matter how many believers are following the wrong crowd on this issue.
So it's only variance when it's someone else who has a different interpretation of the text. You alone are exempt from this. Got it.
Personally, I believe that masturbation is a sin. However, I think this man was trying to be reasonable. He was starting with the premise that it was not a sin, but recognizing that there were times when it was. I have no problems with people using their reasoning to understand ethics. The Bible does not cover everything.I do not recollect all of them, but the pastor in the video stated that doing masturbation in marriage is not to be practised, because the spouse is to meet the needs of the other as they are one flesh. ( I "think" he gave an exception to when the spouse is terminally ill or actually sick & not faking a headache to avoid sex. )
Also, he stated that masturbating in a group is not acceptable in God's eye either.
The only problem here is that he has no scripture validifying his specific conditions or restrictions & yet, all the while, ignoring how uncleanness as a work of the flesh has to be masturbation and nothing else.
He did say in the video that he hoped he was not teaching something that the Lord did not want him to teach, and so already, the Lord was working on his conscience, as he had doubts about what he was teaching.
So basically what he was teaching as those five conditions is a rationalization.
Personally, I believe that masturbation is a sin.
However, I think this man was trying to be reasonable. He was starting with the premise that it was not a sin, but recognizing that there were times when it was. I have no problems with people using their reasoning to understand ethics.
The Bible does not cover everything.
Sure. The Bible doesn't address in vitro fertilization. We have to reason our way up the chain of moral decisions to arrive at a conclusion. Even so, Christians disagree on it, precisely because there isn't a clear Biblical pronouncement.Can you give an example?
Until you define what that work of the flesh is that is called uncleanness, it is not variance. It is called Biblical correction and thus not giving any inch for rationalization to occur, no matter how many believers are following the wrong crowd on this issue.
How many Bible believing christians in the South were lynching black people just because they believed it was the right thing to do and "everybody" was doing it? And so it still doesn't make that right nor masturbation either.
No. I do not see it there at all.
So answer the question why did regular marital relations render husband and wife "unclean" until sundown and they bathed? regular Sexual relations were COMMANDED between spouses in both testaments. And yet it rendered them unclean.
Correct. Uncleanness can be applied towards hygiene, but then you have to decide what uncleanness is when it is listed as a work of the flesh which is sinful and unless a believer repents of it with His help, he risks losing his first inheritance and be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event to be received later on along with the rest of the prodigal sons that had given up their first inheritance for wild living, even though there will be weeping & gnashing of teeth over the loss of that first inheritance for being left behind.
I do not recollect all of them, but the pastor in the video stated that doing masturbation in marriage is not to be practised, because the spouse is to meet the needs of the other as they are one flesh. ( I "think" he gave an exception to when the spouse is terminally ill or actually sick & not faking a headache to avoid sex. )
Also, he stated that masturbating in a group is not acceptable in God's eye either.
The only problem here is that he has no scripture validifying his specific conditions or restrictions & yet, all the while, ignoring how uncleanness as a work of the flesh has to be masturbation and nothing else.
He did say in the video that he hoped he was not teaching something that the Lord did not want him to teach, and so already, the Lord was working on his conscience, as he had doubts about what he was teaching.
So basically what he was teaching as those five conditions is a rationalization.
Well, I am glad that the Lord Jesus Christ has helped you to see that.
Proverbs 14:12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Can you give an example?
"Still?" I don't believe we've conversed before. I could be wrong.
Is Masturbation a sin?
Of course not.
Adultery is and other sexual sins are also specifically dealt with in scriptures. It is plain what a sin is or isn't, and masturbation isn't one of them. It is probably a means for many to avoid sin if anything at all.
Bolding mine.
If that is true, what possible reason would there be for THEN allowing it? Would it not be simply for the physical release of pent up sexual stress? And, if THAT is true, what reason do you think most people who practice it are doing? Do you believe that God WANTS us to allow sexual tension to grow to a point of distraction? Just so you know, that tension is the result of hormones and other bodily chemicals. They don't dissipate by ignoring them. I recognize a possibility that masturbation could be the promised "way of escape" from sexual sins driven by excess sexual tension.
That's NOT the only problem. There is a huge problem with enforcing a personal interpretation on the rest of the Body. I have no argument with you how you interpret "uncleanness" as far as your own convictions. You are absolutely free to do so. The Bible would protect your right to do so. But, it does NOT protect your right to enforce your interpretation on anyone else.
Many honest godfearing people will disagree with how you view that word. Are you any better than they? You have no explicit Scripture validating any of your interpretations, either. No doubt, your interpretation is helpful in YOUR walk. I'm all for that. But judging another's practice of faith is denounced directly in Scripture. And that's exactly what you are doing.
Such a thing need not "to be taught" as though a person isn't capable of utilizing such a release without running to some teacher. God is my teacher. I am confident HE doesn't consider masturbation a sin in the least. And that is all that is important. What He says or doesn't say is the only Word to hear. Not a man's ideas about it.Masturbation has never been taught as a means to avoid the sin of fornication, adultery, or to be free of the "burning".
What is uncleanness given among the sexual sins when the works of the flesh have been listed?
Until you define it, you will not see uncleanness in the Bible of the N.T. as meaning what we call masturbation today.
As it is, if a believer had always believed a sin was okay, it would take a miracle from the Lord to see the truth in His words, but He has been known to do it for those that seek the truth from Him as well as His promises to deliver them from their sins & keep them from their sins to be content and thereby have godliness too.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2 Corinthians 12:And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
Until you define uncleanness as listed among these sexual sins, you cannot prove that it is just my "private interpretation".
Many godfearing believers are glossing over the term uncleanness as referenced in the N.T. They have yet to define it to say that by definition of uncleanness as referred to the N.T., it does not means masturbation, only because they can't, and so they will not do it.
So in other words, they have yet to offer their "private interpretation" of what uncleanness is as listed as a work of the flesh and among the sexual sins in the N.T.
Jesus Christ is in them and is waiting for them to call on Him to deliver them from that sin, but apparently, they need to call on Him to help them define uncleanness in the N.T.
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