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Please don't take this as an insult, but this argument is extremely bad.Do it in church then
Further, would anybody have married sex at church (which is otherwise acceptable in an appropriate time & place)?Please don't take this as an insult, but this argument is extremely bad.
Would you sing songs from children's tv shows, dance to silly songs or laugh at memes you saw on the internet at Church?
I guess not.
It was not presented on the basis of a sound argument. It was posted for it's shock value in respect to how disgusting the act is anywhere let alone church.Please don't take this as an insult, but this argument is extremely bad.
Would you sing songs from children's tv shows, dance to silly songs or laugh at memes you saw on the internet at Church?
I guess not.
It was not presented on the basis of a sound argument. It was posted for it's shock value in respect to how disgusting the act is anywhere let alone church.
Besides we are the Temple of the living God, a holy habitation for the Spirit not that building. Let's Meditate on that the next time we decide to do any wrong.
And in respect to your question those things are done constantly in most church's social halls. And in some their sanctuaries. But I understand your point. The building was consecrated by man for worship. But I hope you do not miss the one presented to you here. We are consecrated by God through His Spirit. We through God are more sacred than any building.
I think I understand your point too, but I have seen people say that if you wouldn't do something in public (like the examples I gave) then it's wrong.It was not presented on the basis of a sound argument. It was posted for it's shock value in respect to how disgusting the act is anywhere let alone church.
Besides we are the Temple of the living God, a holy habitation for the Spirit not that building. Let's Meditate on that the next time we decide to do any wrong.
And in respect to your question those things are done constantly in most church's social halls. And in some their sanctuaries. But I understand your point. The building was consecrated by man for worship. But I hope you do not miss the one presented to you here. We are consecrated by God through His Spirit. We through God are more sacred than any building.
"Climaxing" is not necessarily the issue at question here (although it could be easily). It's about lacking self-control.[Climaxing] does not violate the Temple of the Holy Spirit [i.e. one's body] unless it is done in an adulterous context.
(If that were not true, nocturnal emissions would be sin.)
Your view condemns volitional, unadulterous climaxing as being a lack of self-control."Climaxing" is not necessarily the issue at question here (although it could be easily). It's about lacking self-control.
I think what you are missing here is the urge to touch comes from a place of sexual desire or fulfillment, even in a non-adulterous way. Which you would be hard pressed to convince me that a person could even perform that act in such a manner. But that's a different issue I think.Your view condemns volitional, unadulterous climaxing as being a lack of self-control.
Not doing so in an inappropriate setting is self-control.
Not participating in adultery (real or virtual) is self-control.
Apart from adultery, sexual desire/fulfillment is not inherently sinful.I think what you are missing here is the urge to touch comes from a place of sexual desire or fulfillment, even in a non-adulterous way.
Only during the refractory period (in males) and that is true after married sex, too.Masturbating can cause a loss of sensation in our sexual organs which means that when we get married, our sexual appetite and desires for our spouse can be lowered.
But that's missing the point. You get the urge to touch to fulfill your sexual needs, and give in to that. That's not self-control, that's self slavery. When I find fulfillment in myself, I don't need to be fulfilled in God, or in another (a spouse). When we are tempted with these things, we need to find our place in Christ. It's like an addiction, the more you give in to that, you are training your brain, your body that it needs that thing to continue, thus making a break from that addiction more difficult later. Be addicted to Christ! Find fulfillment in Him, not in the passing urges our flesh offers us!Only during the refractory period (in males) and that is true after married sex, too.
What about other things in life? Are we slaves to sin if we need coffee or tea every now and then or need to take an afternoon nap every day? I wouldn't say we are. So self-control by itself is not needed to avoid sin in all aspects of life. If masturbation is a sin it is, not because it's a temptation, because we are tempted by all kinds of things that aren't sin, but because the act itself is sinful (if it now is sinful).But that's missing the point. You get the urge to touch to fulfill your sexual needs, and give in to that. That's not self-control, that's self slavery. When I find fulfillment in myself, I don't need to be fulfilled in God, or in another (a spouse). When we are tempted with these things, we need to find our place in Christ. It's like an addiction, the more you give in to that, you are training your brain, your body that it needs that thing to continue, thus making a break from that addiction more difficult later. Be addicted to Christ! Find fulfillment in Him, not in the passing urges our flesh offers us!
I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to escalating wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.
Romans 6:19 BSB
That is not slavery. It is a God-given appetite. Meeting it through adultery is the perversion.You get the urge to touch to fulfill your sexual needs, and give in to that. That's not self-control, that's self slavery.
No one is going to turn down a proper meal in favor of bread & water...When I find fulfillment in myself, I don't need to be fulfilled in God, or in another (a spouse).
We are the Temple of God, the church, holy ground. Our behavior is to be the same regardless of what building we are in.
We are the Temple of God, the church, holy ground. Our behavior is to be the same regardless of what building we are in.
Situation ethics is nonsense due to the subjectivity it stems from. Sexually immorality is a sin. We are not to feed the lusts of the flesh anytime, anywhere. What the world sees as highly inappropriate, criminal or legal not does not always equal to that to which God deems.Nonsense. There are things that would be highly inappropriate and sometimes even criminal if done in public, but not so in the privacy of our own homes.
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