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This quote is a teaching of the Catholic papacy, and is not a teaching of the Orthodox Church.
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this one is particularily bothersome.
3) Leo XIII, Encyclical, Octobri mense adventante, Sept 22, 1891, ASS 24, 1891, 196.
... it is right to say, that nothing at all of that very great treasury of all grace which the Lord brought us--for 'grace and truth came through Jesus Christ' [Jn 1.17]--nothing is imparted to us except through Mary, since God so wills, so that just as no one can come to the Father except through the Son, so in general, no one can come to Christ except through His Mother.
Nope.
I would be very afraid to venerate/worship/pray for anyone other than God and I wouldn't take the risk of using icons or graven images to do so.
I understand that yes, I wasn't attributing it to EO. Thanks though!This quote is a teaching of the Catholic papacy, and is not a teaching of the Orthodox Church.
I agree this is quite disturbing..this one is particularily bothersome.
3) Leo XIII, Encyclical, Octobri mense adventante, Sept 22, 1891, ASS 24, 1891, 196.
... it is right to say, that nothing at all of that very great treasury of all grace which the Lord brought us--for 'grace and truth came through Jesus Christ' [Jn 1.17]--nothing is imparted to us except through Mary, since God so wills, so that just as no one can come to the Father except through the Son, so in general, no one can come to Christ except through His Mother.
Some people teach that Mary is the neck of the Church and all grace comes to all the Church via her, and she decides where it goes. So God's grace goes to God, to Mary, and she decides how to give it out. But of course you won't hear that around here cause noone has the .......whatever it takes to preach it.
http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya4a.htm
Well I am a little concerned when a group strays from the written word and make up thier own traditions to follow and then pronounce athema's if you don't agree with what they teach.. Sounds like bondage to me.. Just what Jesus came to set us free from..I just kind of find it amusing how people 2000 years after the fact, seem to know better than the 2000 year history of the Church, and all the millions, if not billions who have come before us..
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Well I am a little concerned when a group strays from the written word and make up thier own traditions to follow and then pronounce athema's if you don't agree with what they teach.. Sounds like bondage to me.. Just what Jesus came to set us free from..
I remember Jesus saying on the contrary when someone called out the same thing while He was there. Setting them straight..How does honoring Mary stray from the written word? I seem to remember people calling Mary "Blessed" being in the written Word actually..
And this group you refer to is the Church handed down by the Apostles. Read the writings of St. Ignatius of Antioch one day..he was a direct Disciple of John the Apostle. So where do you think he learned it from?
Not to mention is this same group is what handed down the written Word to us. So how do you know the written Word is actually true considering you deny everything else they handed down? And like I said before, Ignatius honored and venerated the mother of God, and this was well before the written Word was was it is..
So Repentant, what exactly do you do to venerate Mary, how often, is it a daily thing or everytime you pray? If you don't mind me being nosey.
I remember Jesus saying on the contrary when someone called out the same thing while He was there. Setting them straight..
Well up until 1054 AD, there was one Church that believed the same thing. All the Christians believed the same thing. Even after 1054, the differences that came up between East and West weren't so much Theological issues. We both remained the same according to Theology for the most part. We both still honored and venerated Mary and the Saints. It wasn't until the 16th century that this was considered "wrong". And even the first reformers Luther and Calvin, held Mary in high esteem and venerated her..
Here we See what Jesus has to say about those whom wanted to do this.. Contrary.. Opposition of..27While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." 28But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."
So you are saying that someone called Mary blessed and He said she wasn't?
You talking about this?
27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Jesus was saying here that those who obey God are blessed. He was saying the fact that His mother bore him in her womb is not what makes her blessed, but the fact she obeyed God that makes her blessed. She was the opposite of Eve. If it wasn't for Eve disobeying God, would would have never seen death, and if it wasn't for Mary obeying God, we would have never seen life again..
Don't twist Scripture.
Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..
Where is it written that we are to follow the example of Mary? When so little is given about Mary in scripture?
You tell me not to twist scripture and they you post this? Okay then.. And in what Jesus said how do you get what you say.So you are saying that someone called Mary blessed and He said she wasn't?
You talking about this?
27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Jesus was saying here that those who obey God are blessed. He was saying the fact that His mother bore him in her womb is not what makes her blessed, but the fact she obeyed God that makes her blessed. She was the opposite of Eve. If it wasn't for Eve disobeying God, would would have never seen death, and if it wasn't for Mary obeying God, we would have never seen life again..
Don't twist Scripture.
He was saying the fact that His mother bore him in her womb is not what makes her blessed, but the fact she obeyed God that makes her blessed. She was the opposite of Eve. If it wasn't for Eve disobeying God, would would have never seen death, and if it wasn't for Mary obeying God, we would have never seen life again..
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