Is ki real?

[povman]

I have started doing aikido this year, and they teach about the flow of ki (or chi). I'm actually starting to think it's a real thing. So, anyone who has studied ki or aikido can you please explain? i'm a christian and some aspects of ki which our sensei has taught conflict with what the bible says.

 

[Fiendishjester]

I don't remember the scientific name for it, but I believe it has been confirmed as being real. It is a byproduct of the nervous system. If I find the articles, I'll post them.

 

[Tomk80]

I've studied Aikido for two years, and switched to Kung Fu the last three months.
The point with Chi, as with other aspects of Buddism, is that it is very much something people discovered by doing. I don't know which parts of it conflict with the bible.
My personal view is that you can use chi very effectively without adhering completely to its spiritual message, since, at least in my mind, Chi is a fact of life. Also, in my opinion, if Chi conflicts with the bible, then fact conflicts with the bible. So I am very interested where Chi and the bible conflict.

 

[Proud Hindu]

Ki/Chi comes from the Hindu concept of Prana, the life-force. When we meditate, we are told to visualize the Prana coiled in the base of the spine, and moving up the spine.

I'm sure it is quite real, to answer your question. There are Hindu saints, who through control of the Prana, have been seen to do seemingly impossible things. Some meditate in areas in the Himalayas where it is so cold that most people would freeze to death in minutes. Through control of the Prana, they not only survive, but meditate for days, and sometimes even sweat through their intense Tapas.

 

[PaladinValer]

Its basically the idea of the soul

 

[Tomk80]

Ki/Chi comes from the Hindu concept of Prana, the life-force. When we meditate, we are told to visualize the Prana coiled in the base of the spine, and moving up the spine.

I'm sure it is quite real, to answer your question. There are Hindu saints, who through control of the Prana, have been seen to do seemingly impossible things. Some meditate in areas in the Himalayas where it is so cold that most people would freeze to death in minutes. Through control of the Prana, they not only survive, but meditate for days, and sometimes even sweat through their intense Tapas.

True. In the same way, I have seen Shaolin Monks putting their full weight on a spear pointed in their neck, without being hurt. Or a guy, who really wasn't big, easily withstanding the full weight of four other guys pushing against him.
My sensei had gained a fair degree of mastery in Chi, to such an extent that he could put people on the ground in a fight with very little force (he barely touched them).
What I forgot to add in my earlier post, is that during my teaching I've never come across statements which really seemed to conflict with the bible (but then again, I only have a very basic knowledge of the bible). So I'm very interested in where the concept of Chi and the bible are in real conflict with each other.

 

[peaceful soul]

True. In the same way, I have seen Shaolin Monks putting their full weight on a spear pointed in their neck, without being hurt. Or a guy, who really wasn't big, easily withstanding the full weight of four other guys pushing against him.
My sensei had gained a fair degree of mastery in Chi, to such an extent that he could put people on the ground in a fight with very little force (he barely touched them).
What I forgot to add in my earlier post, is that during my teaching I've never come across statements which really seemed to conflict with the bible (but then again, I only have a very basic knowledge of the bible). So I'm very interested in where the concept of Chi and the bible are in real conflict with each other.

Anything that is not generated trhough the spirit of Christ is not Biblical. That eleminates the rest of the spiritual existances out there. All other spirits/interactions are opposed to God's spirit. They are earthly and bounded. They appear to work, but only for a season. In other words, they are temporal.

Only Holy Spirit is eternal. Sometimes during the Great Judgement period, Satan and all of these spirits will be bound for ever, and all of the people that follow these spirits will be taken with them. That is where part of the concept of hell is born.

These spirits/forces or whatever you call them are not Biblical. They can not work in the presence of a spirit filled man of God.

 

[gaijin178]

Anything that is not generated trhough the spirit of Christ is not Biblical. That eleminates the rest of the spiritual existances out there. All other spirits/interactions are opposed to God's spirit. They are earthly and bounded. They appear to work, but only for a season. In other words, they are temporal.

Only Holy Spirit is eternal. Sometimes during the Great Judgement period, Satan and all of these spirits will be bound for ever, and all of the people that follow these spirits will be taken with them. That is where part of the concept of hell is born.

These spirits/forces or whatever you call them are not Biblical. They can not work in the presence of a spirit filled man of God.

I take it that you don't believe in anything that isn't in the bible.....interesting...now...take your hand...and try to blow out the candle without touching it...use your hand.

 

[Proud Hindu]

Anything that is not generated trhough the spirit of Christ is not Biblical. That eleminates the rest of the spiritual existances out there. All other spirits/interactions are opposed to God's spirit. They are earthly and bounded. They appear to work, but only for a season. In other words, they are temporal.

Only Holy Spirit is eternal. Sometimes during the Great Judgement period, Satan and all of these spirits will be bound for ever, and all of the people that follow these spirits will be taken with them. That is where part of the concept of hell is born.

These spirits/forces or whatever you call them are not Biblical. They can not work in the presence of a spirit filled man of God.

Why must some people be so closed minded.. Prana is no "spirit," it is the life force. It is present in everyone.

I don't believe it contradicts the Bible at all. Maybe you Christians can think of it as the presence of God within you (or the Holy Ghost? I'm not so familiar with Christianity).

 

[PaladinValer]

**Agrees with the Agnostic, Hindu, and Buddhist in this case**

Chi, Ki, and such is simply the idea of soul (or consciousness for Buddhists). It is a fundamental aspect of our being; something that all theists agree upon (and it seems some Agnostics as well ).

I've always been intregued by the martial arts. I took Japanese swordsmanship for a while and still have my katana and wakisashi (wooden, but one day I've love to own the real things and go back taking the classes) and found it very stimulating and disciplining. I see nothing un-Christ-like to utilize gifts of the soul/consciousness that God willed us to have, so long as those gifts are used for righteousness and for service for good and love.

And if I had to raise a sword to defend someone (or if I knew a martial arts, a fist or foot), I would to save another's life, even if it meant mine had to be sacrificed. What isn't more Christian than selflessness and self-sacrifice? Did not Jesus Himself die on a cross for all humanity?

So I personally see nothing non-Biblical and I certainly see nothing "Satanic" about martial arts, the soul/consciousness, or anything like that. When you practice a martial art, the soul/consciousness that you draw from isn't a foreign evil spirit but your own discipline and gifts given to you by God. Just be sure to use them appropriately and I don't see any reason why God would frown upon their use.

 

[Tomk80]

Anything that is not generated trhough the spirit of Christ is not Biblical. That eleminates the rest of the spiritual existances out there. All other spirits/interactions are opposed to God's spirit. They are earthly and bounded. They appear to work, but only for a season. In other words, they are temporal.

Nobody said Chi was an outside spirit or force.

Only Holy Spirit is eternal. Sometimes during the Great Judgement period, Satan and all of these spirits will be bound for ever, and all of the people that follow these spirits will be taken with them. That is where part of the concept of hell is born.

Chi is something which is in yourself. I don't see it conflicting the bible. For me, it's the same as muscle power or intelligence, everyone has it, only by training it can you make it more effective.

These spirits/forces or whatever you call them are not Biblical. They can not work in the presence of a spirit filled man of God.

If you read the posts, you should have noted that Chi is not a spirit. Nor is it some mystical source. Chi is generated by your own body and you can learn to use it through discipline and training. Where does this conflict with the bible or prevent the spirit of God from working within man?

 

[Heathen Dawn]

Anything that is not generated trhough the spirit of Christ is not Biblical. That eleminates the rest of the spiritual existances out there. All other spirits/interactions are opposed to God's spirit. They are earthly and bounded. They appear to work, but only for a season. In other words, they are temporal.

Only Holy Spirit is eternal. Sometimes during the Great Judgement period, Satan and all of these spirits will be bound for ever, and all of the people that follow these spirits will be taken with them. That is where part of the concept of hell is born.

These spirits/forces or whatever you call them are not Biblical. They can not work in the presence of a spirit filled man of God.

You’re consistently being a bad ambassador for Christ, peaceful soul.

 

[HomeBound]

It's probably that same force that gives a mother strength to lift a car to save her child, but control of the source of this strength by practice.

 

[Nightstrike]

I'm wanting to join TKD in the next little while.
And I will say, yea ki prolly is real.
Iv seen videos that are real of the shaolin monks doing CRAZY stuff.

 

[peaceful soul]

You?re consistently being a bad ambassador for Christ, peaceful soul.

I think you need to check yourself then. I only gave a perspective that is in line with Bible. Would you rather that I say something that is not Biblical and contradict what my Lord spells out for me? I do not say things just because Bible says so. It is my walk with Christ that convicts me and confirms what I say. If I give an opinion, then you can jump on that. This is not an opinion.

Unlike some of you, I am not here to be an ambassador. I am here to tell the truth about Christ. If it offends you or you do not like it, there is nothing that you can do to change that. I find it rather ironic that people hate to hear the truth. They would rather hear some watered down information that will not offend anyone. I do not come here to offend anyone. My mind is only on being real and straight forward about what I know.

It is too bad that most of the world does not know that the most offensive thing to God is to deny Him and make your own god to cater to you own flesh. My God is eternal and I will continue to quote and relay scripture in the spirit of truth. If it offends you, it is 90% likely that it opposes your flesh, which Christ has lead me to see and understand. I do not post just to be different. I post what God gives me the wisdom to see.

 

[peaceful soul]

Nobody said Chi was an outside spirit or force.


Chi is something which is in yourself. I don't see it conflicting the bible. For me, it's the same as muscle power or intelligence, everyone has it, only by training it can you make it more effective.


If you read the posts, you should have noted that Chi is not a spirit. Nor is it some mystical source. Chi is generated by your own body and you can learn to use it through discipline and training. Where does this conflict with the bible or prevent the spirit of God from working within man?

There is only one spirit that rules a follower of Christ's life. It is the Holy Spirit. It does not share bandwidth with any other. There is no Biblical reference that tells us to use and or manipulate some force/spirit to enhance our spiritual/human development. We are to pray to God and let the Holy Spirit do the work of God through us. We are to rely upon God for everything and everything we need comes through Him only. Christ tells us to not invoke the spiritual world to action; for we do not know what we worship/follow. There is a vast world of spirits that oppose God. We are not to invoke them or to rely upon them for our sustenance. They are helpers of Satan. Their only mission is to lead us away from God and keeping us prisoners to our flesh. Christ freed us from that imprisonment, but who really listens anyway.

 

[unbound]

I read where some have witnessed super-human feats attributed to meditation to summon the Serpent power( Kundalini).

Satan resides in the forces of this world, which includes ley lines, and other "high energy" states. It is my opinion that "chi" or "kundalini" Is nothing more than demonic posession in which the demon gives the host a "gratification" or power to do something supernatural.

Daniel 11:38
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things

 

[peaceful soul]

I take it that you don't believe in anything that isn't in the bible.....interesting...now...take your hand...and try to blow out the candle without touching it...use your hand.

Interesting that you do not understand what Bible is. It is not a science fiction novel or a book on holistic medicine. It is the inspired word of God. I do not have to believe everything in Bible. The Holy Spirit brings me to that point. I have had many arguments and fights with God on how he does things, but every time I loose.

Following God is not closing your eyes and starting to walk and hoping that you arrive at the right place. Following God is not some haphazard path that allows you to pick and choose what words of God you like and then elevate them to your standard of righteousness, faith, tuth,morality, or whatever. It does not work that way. God is strict and direct about things that matter to Him.

The Bible is the not the authority of my life: Christ is, for starters. It is the Bible that gives me some written account about my Creator, and that allows me to come to know Him and trust Him. He gives me a record of His performance: something concrete that I can measure. The Bible is just a vehicle to drive me to Him.

Regarding your statement: So, if you want to see things that way, gaijin178, it is your choice. It is far from the truth, though.

 

[Tomk80]

There is only one spirit that rules a follower of Christ's life. It is the Holy Spirit. It does not share bandwidth with any other. There is no Biblical reference that tells us to use and or manipulate some force/spirit to enhance our spiritual/human development. We are to pray to God and let the Holy Spirit do the work of God through us. We are to rely upon God for everything and everything we need comes through Him only. Christ tells us to not invoke the spiritual world to action; for we do not know what we worship/follow. There is a vast world of spirits that oppose God. We are not to invoke them or to rely upon them for our sustenance. They are helpers of Satan. Their only mission is to lead us away from God and keeping us prisoners to our flesh. Christ freed us from that imprisonment, but who really listens anyway.

Peaceful soul, why do you go on about spirits in your post, when I wrote explicitly in my post that nobody stated that Chi was a spirit? This gives me the idea that your not reading my posts.
Let me repeat my point again, because I got the idea you didn't get it. The way I experience it, Chi is something parallel to intelligence or musclepower. It is a way of thinking about your body in terms of energy, and directing that energy in a controlled way. Focusing your energy this way can make you do things better. As I experience it, it has nothing to do with a spirit or spiritual force. So again, I don't see the conflict. To me, training Chi is on exactly the same level as spending time in the gym doing muscle training, and also shares a lot of similarities.
Now, Chi is a concept which is developed in eastern countries. However, often Martial arts are often deeply connected with the philosophical message, so most senseis will also pass on their philosophies in their teaching. You don't have to believe their spiritual message however, my senseis never commanded me to believe as they did.
If you have questions about Chi and think it conflicts with your religion, I would also recommend to discuss this with you sensei. They are often willing to give their views on it, and this might work very enlightening

 

[Tomk80]

I think you need to check yourself then. I only gave a perspective that is in line with Bible. Would you rather that I say something that is not Biblical and contradict what my Lord spells out for me? I do not say things just because Bible says so. It is my walk with Christ that convicts me and confirms what I say. If I give an opinion, then you can jump on that. This is not an opinion.

Unlike some of you, I am not here to be an ambassador. I am here to tell the truth about Christ. If it offends you or you do not like it, there is nothing that you can do to change that. I find it rather ironic that people hate to hear the truth. They would rather hear some watered down information that will not offend anyone. I do not come here to offend anyone. My mind is only on being real and straight forward about what I know.

It is too bad that most of the world does not know that the most offensive thing to God is to deny Him and make your own god to cater to you own flesh. My God is eternal and I will continue to quote and relay scripture in the spirit of truth. If it offends you, it is 90% likely that it opposes your flesh, which Christ has lead me to see and understand. I do not post just to be different. I post what God gives me the wisdom to see.

Every time someone states that his views are the truth I get suspicious. I think it would be more fitting if you'd say that you gave a perspective which is in line with your interpretation of the bible and your interpretation of Chi. For one, your interpretation of Chi seems to differ from mine, second, your interpretation of the bible seems to differ from some of the other Christians here. Are you the only one who is right?