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Glad this is out on controversial Christian thread because there are some really heretical claims here.
I recommend studying Christology.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/defenders-2-podcast/s6
That series of podcasts will survey the various views and how they were both defended and defeated as heretical.
Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are YHWY in scripture. They are three persons the compose one God (shema).
They have different personal,attributes (only Jesus has a body)
It is not one person who keeps changing modes! "In the OT Jesus was the father" is a heresy known as modalism.
It is a little more complicated than that.
Creedal Christians hold to the early church creeds.
Nicene Creed -325 CE
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
They don't believe that Jesus is eternal and "not made."
They don't believe in the trinity.
They don't believe in original sin.
They believe Lucifer was Jesus brother and the two fought over would be the messianic savior, Jesus one.
We all lived together on a preexisting spirit-world.
There is no hell just four places one will live based on how they lived this life.
There was no Christian church from the time Jesus died until Joseph Smith.
They don't pray to Jesus at all, ever.
I could go on but they are not even close to Christian in their worldview.
But they don't drink (not even iced tea), or chew, or run with those who do. Add they dress up for temple, so they must be doing something right. Just kidding they are a cult group, plain and simple.
Yes men like Jesus.The Ten Commandments could be called a creed, but otherwise creeds are teachings of men and God does not require them; they are at best a fraction of God's teaching.
That's the trouble with english and western and greek thought.In my opinion, no Jesus is not God. How could Jesus be his own father? Doesn't really make sense. My son is not his own father I am. We are two different people.
In my opinion, no Jesus is not God. How could Jesus be his own father? Doesn't really make sense. My son is not his own father I am. We are two different people.
This is Mormonism! Not Christian. Jesus is the second person of the trinity and is eternal, not made, not created. The sonship language does not have to do with procreation to the NT writers or Early Church theologians.
Thanks for the heads-up.Colter is a follower of the teachings of the Urantia Book. Urantia teaching is that the Father has a number of "Creator Sons" and Jesus is the Creator Son assigned to planet Earth. As such we are children of Jesus and grandchildren of the Father--basically.
This isn't Mormonism. Mormonism teaches that Jesus--as well as the rest of us humans--were all begotten in a pre-existent state as spirit children of "Heavenly Father". Jesus was tasked by "Heavenly Father" to be the Savior of the human race by giving us, when we were given physical bodies here on earth, the ability to believe in Him and obey the commandments of his gospel (as defined by Mormonism). Thus in Mormonism we are literally God's children, that is, God literally fathered us. Because in Mormonism God was once a mortal man who progressed to godhood, and he dwells near the star (or planet) Kolob, and God (and his wife, maybe) begat spirit children, which is what we were in our pre-mortal life. Which, also, is why the highest goal in Mormonism is to attain exaltation--godhood. Former President of the Mormon Church, Lorenzo Snow said, "As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be" and this is generally (I don't know if "officially") accepted as Mormon teaching.
-CryptoLutheran
All personality is from the Father.
God the Son is a divine personality. The Father delegated powers and authority to his Son.
The Son created us, we are all sons of God.
So I wouldn't say genetics.
One of the issues here is past, present and future tense; was Jesus Elohim, I would say yes; was Jesus Jehovah, I do not know;
I do not know what the people who ask this question are actually asking.
I don't want to get into the trinity and that wouldn't solve the problem. When we say God with a capital G we think we know what we are talking about but how is God different to Allah.
God is spirit, Jesus was flesh and blood; Jesus is the first born into the kingdom of God but the kingdom of God was already populated because Jesus said John was less than any already there.
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In my opinion, no Jesus is not God. How could Jesus be his own father? Doesn't really make sense. My son is not his own father I am. We are two different people.
Yes, Jesus was God.Is Jesus God or is He the son of God? This question has been asked recently and the quesion is loaded. A Jew I would expect would say no.
One of the issues here is past, present and future tense; was Jesus Elohim, I would say yes; was Jesus Jehovah, I do not know; was Jesus God when He walked the earth, His name was God with us; and He did raise himself from the dead; since His resurrection Jesus has a new name.
I do not know what the people who ask this question are actually asking. The word God is a title or rank, not different in nature to Lord, Prince, King, or Captain; if the word God is defined differently in scripture then that definition would be for a unique personality. Jehovah is a proper name with a unique meaning, it is not a title; Allah is a meaningful name not a title; Allah does not mean Jehovah.
When God became man His name changed as well as His title; He was not called God of the Jews but was called King of the Jews; Jesus now has a new name but His title is still king.
With the name, "God with us" I am not sure if this refers to Jehovah, Adonay or Elohim.
With "the Lord thy God" Lord could be Jehovah or Adonay and God is Elohim.
When we say God what do we mean; are our perceptions of God Biblical?
You're also mortals.In my opinion, no Jesus is not God. How could Jesus be his own father? Doesn't really make sense. My son is not his own father I am. We are two different people.
Urantia is a cult.I am interested in understanding this worldview more deeply. Someone has mentioned Urantia. Where would I go to get the "authorized version" of this worldview?
He is the son of God....that makes him God....Is Jesus God or is He the son of God? This question has been asked recently and the quesion is loaded. A Jew I would expect would say no.
One of the issues here is past, present and future tense; was Jesus Elohim, I would say yes; was Jesus Jehovah, I do not know; was Jesus God when He walked the earth, His name was God with us; and He did raise himself from the dead; since His resurrection Jesus has a new name.
I do not know what the people who ask this question are actually asking. The word God is a title or rank, not different in nature to Lord, Prince, King, or Captain; if the word God is defined differently in scripture then that definition would be for a unique personality. Jehovah is a proper name with a unique meaning, it is not a title; Allah is a meaningful name not a title; Allah does not mean Jehovah.
When God became man His name changed as well as His title; He was not called God of the Jews but was called King of the Jews; Jesus now has a new name but His title is still king.
With the name, "God with us" I am not sure if this refers to Jehovah, Adonay or Elohim.
With "the Lord thy God" Lord could be Jehovah or Adonay and God is Elohim.
When we say God what do we mean; are our perceptions of God Biblical?
Is Jesus God or is He the son of God? This question has been asked recently and the quesion is loaded. A Jew I would expect would say no.
One of the issues here is past, present and future tense; was Jesus Elohim, I would say yes; was Jesus Jehovah, I do not know; was Jesus God when He walked the earth, His name was God with us; and He did raise himself from the dead; since His resurrection Jesus has a new name.
I do not know what the people who ask this question are actually asking. The word God is a title or rank, not different in nature to Lord, Prince, King, or Captain; if the word God is defined differently in scripture then that definition would be for a unique personality. Jehovah is a proper name with a unique meaning, it is not a title; Allah is a meaningful name not a title; Allah does not mean Jehovah.
When God became man His name changed as well as His title; He was not called God of the Jews but was called King of the Jews; Jesus now has a new name but His title is still king.
With the name, "God with us" I am not sure if this refers to Jehovah, Adonay or Elohim.
With "the Lord thy God" Lord could be Jehovah or Adonay and God is Elohim.
When we say God what do we mean; are our perceptions of God Biblical?
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